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Your guess is as good as mine. Yet they do that all the time, look i am not even complaining about the fact that they check, all i am saying is how could they possibly know what type of residence documentation i have, if they are not familiar with all kinds of residence permits/cards, etc... and the worst is that they do not even speak the language to know if i showed them a residence card or library card.Jambo wrote:When travelling from/to the UK, you might understand why airlines are looking for a visa but for a travel within Schengen? There is no border control to pass when you land so why would Ryan air be considered of having a "visa" ? No one would check their passengers when they land.
This is definitely something we are considering. The thing is that it is really becoming annoying. Larger airlines have almost no problems in that regard it is just low cost ones. I mean we fly all the time with Air Berlin, German wings, Lufthansa and never had any problems. But Ryan Air is something else, i am pretty sure that they are the only airline that has mandatory "Visa" checks for all non EEA passengers. This smells a lot like discrimination, none of the other airlines that i have mentioned have anything remotely similar.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I would strongly suggest that you complain to the European Commission and also petition the European Parliament. See http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2011/11 ... fectively/
The EC may reject the complaint, but it is still worth doing to get the issue on the radar screens.
I doubt complaining to Rynair will ever bring anything.
Ryanair is definitely "something else", in just about every possible way. This makes me smile and I agree!docteurbenway wrote:But Ryan Air is something else
Use any of the links below, enter your details, such as NationalityVisa required, except for A max. stay of 3 months for those,
irrespective of nationality, holding a Residence Permit issued
by Germany.
Who did you manage to talk with at the German embassy? Was the letter specially done for you or was it a standard one?dasjoker wrote:After i came to UK, i went to German Embassy to complain.. They were really helpful and accept my complain and also give me a letter which is explain rules for border guards just in case.
I was talking with just normal embassy stuff. I don't know his role exactly. I applied visa and i went to pick up my passport.Then i explain what happened in Munich. I think this time i was lucky because embassy staff knew free movement then told me straight away. "Border guard was just bullshitting" he was really confident and then give me standard letter with free movement rules on it and told me to keep this letter with your passport all time just in case.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Who did you manage to talk with at the German embassy? Was the letter specially done for you or was it a standard one?dasjoker wrote:After i came to UK, i went to German Embassy to complain.. They were really helpful and accept my complain and also give me a letter which is explain rules for border guards just in case.
This is an interesting case. Usually people at the embassy know a lot less about free movement than do the border guards.
EDITEUsmileWEallsmile wrote: Excellent information and is very helpful, but I am not sure that Ryanair and others are actually members of IATA.
IATA is no bible either. It talks about max stay of 90 days, which implies a return ticket is required. That comes presumably from the three month's initial residence, which can be greater or lesser than 90 days depending on the time of year. As for PR card holders, they don't qualify according to Timatic because it doesn't mention the family member rider.
Visa required, except for A max. stay of 90 days, holders of a
"family member" residence permit issued by United Kingdom to a
family member of a national of an EEA Member State
I've been on the receiving end of airlines not understanding what a visa looks like several times (not within Europe). I've been polite, argued my case, kept smiling and was eventually let board. Governments have made airlines afraid.acme4242 wrote:EDITEUsmileWEallsmile wrote: Excellent information and is very helpful, but I am not sure that Ryanair and others are actually members of IATA.
IATA is no bible either. It talks about max stay of 90 days, which implies a return ticket is required. That comes presumably from the three month's initial residence, which can be greater or lesser than 90 days depending on the time of year. As for PR card holders, they don't qualify according to Timatic because it doesn't mention the family member rider.
checking http://www.iata.org/membership/Pages/ai ... _list.aspx
Ryanair are not a current member of IATA, but are former members
with IATA code FR
I can tell you for certain, when I fly KLM, its exactly what the staff
are reading when they poke around in their computer.
When I asked Ryanair, what they used, I got fobbed off that
I need to contact head office.
So I have no clue what Ryanair use.
yes, its not perfect, but its what most airlines use.
the information comes from National Authorities
and EU Commission.
For EU family members. The bible as such is
EU Directive 2004/38/EC
But it gives you an advantage, and will put the airline
staff on the back foot.
If you fly from UK to Spain, it will sayVisa required, except for A max. stay of 90 days, holders of a
"family member" residence permit issued by United Kingdom to a
family member of a national of an EEA Member State
as told you guys, when i went to pick up my passport there was a really confident guy and he was cool so i told him what happened in Munich and he straight away said "no no, she was bullshitting you guys" and straightaway gave me this letter. it was already printed before, i guess they must be a lot of those letter just in caseDirective/2004/38/EC wrote:dasjoker,
How did you get this letter? Were there a pile of them in the embassy? Did they write it for you specifically in response to a conversation you had with them? Did they offer it or did you ask for it?
It is lovely to see that the embassy itself understands this!
Sounds familiar.docteurbenway wrote:...since traveling on a plane is a matter of luck...