Dear msangwan
Thank you for your reply. I AM NOT A TEACHER. To know well about teaching in the UK you do not need to be a teacher. It is more to do whether you have interest and want to spend time to learn it. Let me take some examples.
- If you want to know more about the Poverty in developing countries, you did not need to be poor. Most of professors who study poverty and development were not poor and lwere not living under poverty, some even never visit the poor country. But they know more about poverty than the poor living in developing countries themselves.
- If you want to be skin desease specialist/consultant you did not have to have skin illness. Similar to other consultants in medicine.
- Many Immigrant consultants. solicitors were not immigrants themselves. But do not you accept that they know more than the immigrants.
- Many Teacher recruitment agents were not teacher themselves but they know more about what are needed to succesfully get . teaching jobs.
- I know well that some of Moderators in this HSMP forum are not having HSMP background but they know well than the people who have got HSMP because they have interest and want to spend time to learn it.
- There are many other similar examples you could get.
I believe the situation that you are refering to your friend is as follows:
I believe that you are refering the route what is so called OTTP. If not, please advise the forum what route does she follows to become a qualified teacher (the exact name of the route). To become a qualified teacher with full responsibility in the UK you must follow a recognised route such as PGCE, fast Track, GTP, RTS, OTTP.
Indeed OTTP is someone who already has a lot experience in other countries as a teacher, have degree but have not been recognised as qualified in the UK. I understand that this is indeed quite unfair, as someone with a lot experience in teaching in other countries might be better and more qualified then British QTS teacher. But teaching in the UK is a regulated job, and only qualified teacher which they call QTS could teach with full teaching responsibility in the UK.
When some people said that an unqualified teacher has the same responsibilities with a qualified teacher I believe this refer to the practice. Noone could deter someone to get full teaching responsibities, full hour etc, in case s/he have proven his/her capability as a full teacher. The school even like it, pay less but more obligations.
But in the Job description, it is defenitely not true that unqualified teacher (e.g. trainee teacher if you follow OTTP route) has the same responsibilities with QTS teacher. For that reason they are paid at lower scale as TRAINEE not as a teacher. If you could just advise the forum a document or website which could prove a job description that a qualified teacher in the UK has the same responsibility with unqualified teacher in the UK. We could discuss it any further.
OTTP is a trainee teacher not teacher with full responsibility. They are in their way in working from unqualified teacher to become qualified teacher under the supervision of their mentor (qualified teacher). They need to gain QTS within a four-year period. This is job based training.
You will find a lot of information about OTTP in the following offcial document and compare to what I have said.
http://www.tda.gov.uk/upload/resources/ ... %20dec.pdf
You could find a long thread of discussion about this in the follwoing link:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... t=teaching
Pantaiema
msangwan wrote:Hi
I know at least one teacher who is overseas trained, do not have QTS and yet teaching as a teacherand not as a teaching assistant.
Are you a teacher? Please inform.
