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You will have to queue on the Non-EU side in Dublin Airport so that they can entry stamp the Non-EU Passport. This is a breach of Directive 2004/38 and while I wouldn't kick too much of a stink about it, I would ask to speak to the Superintendent in Charge on this. He/she will say that they do it to keep track of non-EU nationals in the State and that they are permitted to do so under the Free Movement regs. They are and those are their instructions from INIS. However, the regulations are a breeach of the Directive. This is a High Court Judicial review case that is very winnable if you were so inclined...adlexy wrote:Hello Folks,
A quick one that I wanted to make sure I got right for query someone posted to me:
An EU national traveling with a third country Non EU national family member arrived at the passport control. The Non-EU national is only carrying a C visa for a visit.
I think they both will check in through the EU gate as they are traveling together? Anyone with similar experiences or ideas?
Your Non EU spouse can not travel to UK on the Irish GNIB (residence) card. The GNIB would state her nationality which means the airlines would not allow her to board the flight. She can be an illegal entrant if you try to enter UK via any other route.andyjohnst wrote:Can a non-eu spouse travel to the UK to visit, if she has a Irish RC, if her spouse if from the UK. I am from the UK and wondering if my spouse can use her RC to visit UK, when she gets it.
This depends on the nationality of the EU citizen. Some EU countries allow their nationals to enjoy the EU treaty rights without any conditions but since you are from the UK that is not possible in your case.andyjohnst wrote:In otherwords, can the use the RC to visit the EU citizens home country.
She can apply for a multiple entry visa. The procedure is straightforwrd - upon approval from EU treaty she would need to get her GNIB card which will be valid for six months (while your application is being processed) and get a multiple entry visa is she wants to travel outside of Ireland. It is a very simple procedure and could finish within 2 hrs time.andyjohnst wrote:Also is the temporary stamp she will get in her visa while the RC is being decided a multi-visit stamp or does she have to stay in Ireland until the RC arrives?
NO, I am not wrong. Where did you read that you can transfer a GNIB card to EEA Family permit? I wish that was possible.andyjohnst wrote:No you're wrong.
So she can transfer her GNIB card for a EEA Family permit to the UK which means she could visit also.
It is not 9 months, that is the time frame for babys to be born . Please check one of my earlier posts which can give you more details. I am assuming it to be 10 weeks or more as long as its a genuine work.andyjohnst wrote:after a certain length of time (9months?) my wife can come with me to the UK.
I am not sure if there is a free medical access to EU citizen or even Irish citizen in Ireland. You can get certain treatments free but for most of it you will need to pay. Honestly, I bought the min cover insurance from VHI which is Euro 45 per month. But if you want to further dig into this check the following link on CIB`s site-andyjohnst wrote:Anyway what do you know about medical access for the Non-EU spouse whilst on a RC? Same entitlement as the EU citizen?
Why six months? I have seen a Couple of people qualifying and entering UK after three months stay in another member state.Ben wrote:Andy, the UK authorities will look for at least six months residence and pursuance of economic activity in Ireland in order for you to be treated as an EEA national for the purpose of the EEA regs (Singh).
EEA FP won't be required unless entering Britain from Ireland on Ryanair.
That's just the way the UK implemented Singh. At first, anyway. I understand that they've relaxed it a little of late.newbieholland wrote:Why six months? I have seen a Couple of people qualifying and entering UK after three months stay in another member state.
Ben, when you say 'worry free', do you mean that he can get away with taking his non-EU spouse into the UK (with, say, flybmi) with just GNIB card?Ben wrote:Honestly, just don't fly Ryanair and you'll be worry free.andyjohnst wrote:Well, we'll be here at least until December 2012 before we consider our options again. Just the visits to the UK I was thinking about.
Not with just a GNIB card. A valid passport will be required too.keloid wrote:Ben, when you say 'worry free', do you mean that he can get away with taking his non-EU spouse into the UK (with, say, flybmi) with just GNIB card?Ben wrote:Honestly, just don't fly Ryanair and you'll be worry free.andyjohnst wrote:Well, we'll be here at least until December 2012 before we consider our options again. Just the visits to the UK I was thinking about.
Do you have experience in doing this yourself?
Directive 2004/38 requires that a non-EU family member should be able to travel with their EU national family member if they have a residence card and passport but as far as I'm aware, the UK don't comply with the Directive here. THey require that hte non-EU spouse has a visa in order to enter.Ben wrote:Not with just a GNIB card. A valid passport will be required too.keloid wrote:Ben, when you say 'worry free', do you mean that he can get away with taking his non-EU spouse into the UK (with, say, flybmi) with just GNIB card?Ben wrote:Honestly, just don't fly Ryanair and you'll be worry free.andyjohnst wrote:Well, we'll be here at least until December 2012 before we consider our options again. Just the visits to the UK I was thinking about.
Do you have experience in doing this yourself?
Visa checks are only routinely carried out by Ryanair as a condition of travel. The absence of a visa is not a reason to refuse travel in cases such as these, and entry to the UK is lawful without a visa, but airport staff working on behalf of Ryanair usually do not know this and a debate is highly likely, with refusal of travel a distinct possibility.
Hence my advice to choose another airline.
Very interesting.Ben wrote:Not with just a GNIB card. A valid passport will be required too.keloid wrote:Ben, when you say 'worry free', do you mean that he can get away with taking his non-EU spouse into the UK (with, say, flybmi) with just GNIB card?Ben wrote:Honestly, just don't fly Ryanair and you'll be worry free.andyjohnst wrote:Well, we'll be here at least until December 2012 before we consider our options again. Just the visits to the UK I was thinking about.
Do you have experience in doing this yourself?
Visa checks are only routinely carried out by Ryanair as a condition of travel. The absence of a visa is not a reason to refuse travel in cases such as these, and entry to the UK is lawful without a visa, but airport staff working on behalf of Ryanair usually do not know this and a debate is highly likely, with refusal of travel a distinct possibility.
Hence my advice to choose another airline.
Yes. Aer Lingus and BMI.keloid wrote:Very interesting.Ben wrote:Not with just a GNIB card. A valid passport will be required too.keloid wrote:Ben, when you say 'worry free', do you mean that he can get away with taking his non-EU spouse into the UK (with, say, flybmi) with just GNIB card?Ben wrote:
Honestly, just don't fly Ryanair and you'll be worry free.
Do you have experience in doing this yourself?
Visa checks are only routinely carried out by Ryanair as a condition of travel. The absence of a visa is not a reason to refuse travel in cases such as these, and entry to the UK is lawful without a visa, but airport staff working on behalf of Ryanair usually do not know this and a debate is highly likely, with refusal of travel a distinct possibility.
Hence my advice to choose another airline.
Have you personally tried this yourself with another airline?
Where were you travelling from and where did you land?Ben wrote:Yes. Aer Lingus and BMI.keloid wrote:Very interesting.Ben wrote:Not with just a GNIB card. A valid passport will be required too.keloid wrote:
Ben, when you say 'worry free', do you mean that he can get away with taking his non-EU spouse into the UK (with, say, flybmi) with just GNIB card?
Do you have experience in doing this yourself?
Visa checks are only routinely carried out by Ryanair as a condition of travel. The absence of a visa is not a reason to refuse travel in cases such as these, and entry to the UK is lawful without a visa, but airport staff working on behalf of Ryanair usually do not know this and a debate is highly likely, with refusal of travel a distinct possibility.
Hence my advice to choose another airline.
Have you personally tried this yourself with another airline?
DUB, SNN and ORK to BHX, MAN, LHR and LGW.newbieholland wrote:Where were you travelling from and where did you land?Ben wrote:Yes. Aer Lingus and BMI.keloid wrote:Very interesting.Ben wrote:
Not with just a GNIB card. A valid passport will be required too.
Visa checks are only routinely carried out by Ryanair as a condition of travel. The absence of a visa is not a reason to refuse travel in cases such as these, and entry to the UK is lawful without a visa, but airport staff working on behalf of Ryanair usually do not know this and a debate is highly likely, with refusal of travel a distinct possibility.
Hence my advice to choose another airline.
Have you personally tried this yourself with another airline?
Hi Ben,Ben wrote:DUB, SNN and ORK to BHX, MAN, LHR and LGW.newbieholland wrote:Where were you travelling from and where did you land?Ben wrote:Yes. Aer Lingus and BMI.keloid wrote:
Very interesting.
Have you personally tried this yourself with another airline?