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experinace scored zero..any body can advise me for review

Post by tabhar2000 » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:16 pm

i have over 19 yrs of experinace out of which 8 yrs in saudia....4 yrs as specilist role senior engineer with present employer

have attached job description also but was not sign and stamped just print out...
may be they are not happy with that....
and two experinc certficates just on letter haed with sign and stamp...for my past employer
they gave me zero for experiance...
education claimed 25 got 25 and past earnings claimed 25 scored 25..total =50
now how to get claim....through review request...
pls advise

have got job from UK offer letter was also attached...
bye

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Post by root » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:17 pm

how much points u received and u claimed

in each section.

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scored 50 total

Post by tabhar2000 » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:55 am

have over 19 yrs of experinace out of which 8 yrs in saudia....4 yrs as specilist role senior engineer with present employer

have attached job description also but was not sign and stamped just print out...
may be they are not happy with that....
and two experinc certficates just on letter haed with sign and stamp...for my past employer
they gave me zero for experiance...
education claimed 25 got 25 and past earnings claimed 25 scored 25..total =50
now how to get claim....through review request...
pls advise

have got job from UK offer letter was also attached...

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Re: scored 50 total

Post by pantaiema » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:31 pm

Dear tabhar2000

What other evidence did you submit other than experience letter to prove your involvement on the job?
Did you submit your tax documents, pay slip, bank statements showing the flow of your salary ?.

As you probably know the following could come in the caseworker mind. In some countries especially where fraud are prominants :

- People could just create a bogus company using their own, relatives, friend address and telephone number. They then just need to make letterhead themselves, make stanp on the street for less then 5 quids

-People could falsify the reputed companies letterhead , make stanp on the street and signed it themselves.

-People could use their relatives & friends to get company letterhead or to ask them to write work experience letter and signed it.

-People could bribe a sectreary of a company so if she get call from the British Embassy or High commisioner she could response according to your direction.

The applicant should aware that that is their interest to provide as much as evidence to prove their involment on the job.

Pantaiema
NB: Please note I am not refering to you, I just try to shed light why the caseworker is so strict in this category.
tabhar2000 wrote:have over 19 yrs of experinace out of which 8 yrs in saudia....4 yrs as specilist role senior engineer with present employer

have attached job description also but was not sign and stamped just print out...
may be they are not happy with that....
and two experinc certficates just on letter haed with sign and stamp...for my past employer
they gave me zero for experiance...
education claimed 25 got 25 and past earnings claimed 25 scored 25..total =50
now how to get claim....through review request...
pls advise

have got job from UK offer letter was also attached...

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you are right pantaiema....how can i?

Post by tabhar2000 » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:59 pm

pantaiema would pls advise me how to justify my past experinace...
i have submitted present employer letter along with my jiob description....as well as experince certificates/letters from my pas 2 employers......orignal
i donot know why they did not consider all these documents....
now advise me how can i make my case string by justification on review request with out producing nay new documnets.....
with same old documenst already with Ho...is it possible for me to justify...
my position........my all positions presnet and in past are graduate level...engineering positions.

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Re: you are right pantaiema....how can i?

Post by pantaiema » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:35 pm

In review request you are not allowed to submit further evidence No further evidence should be provided.

If you learn from this forum you have been warned that you should have submited other evidence to support your involvement in the jobs, not only experience letter as in the past a lot of experience letter cannot be verified. As you also know that people coudl get a dozen of experience letter witrhout necesseraly involvement int hose jobs.

Could you please shed the light to the forum so the people could make a reasanable judgement on your case:

Why you did not submit your pay slips, your tax documents, your bank statements together with your applications ?.

The verification process is a long and costly procedure. They might think it is not worthy to go into this procedure and decide to reject people in the first instance before the vereificaion take place.








many experience letter are indeed extremely good, sometimes too
tabhar2000 wrote:pantaiema would pls advise me how to justify my past experinace...
i have submitted present employer letter along with my jiob description....as well as experince certificates/letters from my pas 2 employers......orignal
i donot know why they did not consider all these documents....
now advise me how can i make my case string by justification on review request with out producing nay new documnets.....
with same old documenst already with Ho...is it possible for me to justify...
my position........my all positions presnet and in past are graduate level...engineering positions.

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Post by geriatrix » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:03 pm

Hi Tabhar,
have attached job description also but was not sign and stamped just print out...
Clealry you won't get points for this :shock:
and two experinc certficates just on letter haed with sign and stamp...for my past employer
Did these "experience" letters have detailed job responsibilities ??? If yes, then does this experience with previous employer(s) enough (in duration) to get you the min. 25 points ?? If so, this should be your point of arguement with regards to your review.

regards
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yes i have submitted

Post by tabhar2000 » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:48 pm

yes i have submitted orignal payslip, bank statement
here in saudi arabia tax is not payable.......no tax data available.

can i expalin in my review request and indicate that payslip which indicating my job title and salary also indicate that it is grdauate level job.

for my past job I donot have any payslip, have only experianc certificates

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Post by AkashS » Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:16 pm

What did you mention in your Job Descriptions? I am shocked that if you have 19 years of work experience, still you did not get even 25 Points... What did you mention in your job's roles & rsponsibilites that u did nt get any point... pls let us know so that we can also benefit from that, as well as can give you some suggestions...

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Re: yes i have submitted

Post by pantaiema » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:15 pm

Hi Tabhar,
I agree with sushdmehta. The information in your work expereince letter must be signed and in written in Letter head.






AS you mention:
have attached job description also but was not sign and stamped just print out...


Pantaiema

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Post by windmill » Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:50 pm

Hey guys,

if the job description was on separate letter from the employer reference letter (which does mention that), is that ok? The description is on official letterhead but not signed or stamped.

I'll really appreciate inputs here as I'm preparing my review.

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Post by tabhar2000 » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:38 pm

i want attach my experinace certificates and scan copies of HO letter caption nay body can help how?

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Post by geriatrix » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:24 am

Hi windmill,
if the job description was on separate letter from the employer reference letter (which does mention that), is that ok?
That should be acceptable.

There's no predefined format given by HO, so every employer may have a different way of scripting the reference letters e.g.- The cover page confirms employment, designation and dates of each position held, but the job description is attached only as an attachment or enclosure.
or
The employer may choose to write the job description within the main content of the reference letter itself.

I think as along as you meet the criteria of providing details of your responsibilities, you should be fine.
The description is on official letterhead but not signed or stamped.
That COULD be a potential problem. In my office, letter heads are available as if they are paper tissues - anyone and everyone has access to them !! So the chances are that anyone can print anything on them :shock:. What HO wants to be sure of is that the documents are authentic - so signatures are important here. Letter heads don't need stamping (at least in my part of the world) so that is not an issue.

Look at the flip side - If you submit a printout on letter headed paper(without signatures), it increases the chances of HO undertaking a verification. If the employer comes to know that you have printed off something without their knowledge, it will leave a bad impression (or maybe something more serious :cry: ).

Hope this info. helps you to decide. Please note that these are personal suggestions based on the understanding I have of the HSMP procedures. Other people on the forum might have a different opinion.


regards

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Pls comment on my review request?????

Post by tabhar2000 » Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:26 pm

Respected HSMP team,

My name is xxxx and I applied for HSMP in xxxx, 2006. My reference number is xxxxx recently I received a refusal letter with the explanation of the causes for my refusal.
I am very much thankful to the HSMP team for considering and assessing my HSMP application. The brief summary of my application is as follows:

Application against the qualifying criteria – Over 28.
Academic Achievement claimed - 25 awarded - 25
Work Experience claimed - 35 awarded - 00
Earning Criteria claimed - 25 awarded - 25
TOTAL claimed 85 awarded - 50

I claimed 35 points in Work Experience section, but 0 point was awarded. As the evidences I provided were not enough for you. Here I will explain in detail why I do not agree with the decision taken by the HSMP Team.
I hereby kindly request your to reconsider the review you decision made on my application. I strongly believe that the decision take by the HSMP team is incorrect and unfair. Below mentioned are the reasons for which I think that the decision is incorrect.

My previous both job positions in last companies ( xxxxxxxx- Famous multinational Engineering Consultant of Saudi Arabia and xxxx power utility company for Karachi city) are professional engineering posts which necessarily require graduate engineering degree due to graduate level nature of job, this can be verify through British high commissions in respective countries. I have project and engineering work experience (which has already clear from my experience certificates) and this work experience of power transmission and distribution engineering field, which is specialized filed in electrical engineering discipline.

Qualifications for Electrical Engineer Substation Project in xxxxxx are required Graduate Degree in Engineering and 10 years of field experience, for Clients like Saudi Electric Company (SEC) and Saudi ARAMCO Projects. This is senior level position in Project Engineering Department.

xxxxxx Co which a power and water utility Company for two biggest industrial cities of Saudi Arabia, Jubail and Yanbu, a 3.5 Billion Saudi Riyals assets owned and have over 3000 employees working in power generation, transmission, distribution, water production Desalination Plant, Water transmission and Distribution to both cities of Saudi Arabia and Water treatment Plants in both cities for Industrial waste water and sanitary waste water. The position of Transmission Specialist is a senior level professional engineering post with graduate degree and over 10 yrs field experience is required.

Considering above facts, of my employment, you are kindly requested to review my score in work experience category. Kindly award me at least 35 points as claimed for this category, where as I qualify for 50 points.

Please Comment……….

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Post by pantaiema » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:56 pm

Tabhar
I am sorry to hear about your case. If you believe that you have been treated unfairly then you must go for review.

I believe that they do not have reservation about your case (they do not know you, they do not know other applicants, don't they?). But it is your duty/interest to help them see your case clearly.

In your letter you have make a strong case that it is a graduate level job but you have not addressed:
"why your expereince letter was not sign and stamped just print out...could not provide"

"Why you could not provide any other evidence to prove your involment on the job"

If they want to reject you, they could find any mean such as using the argument that they are using "Graduate level Job UK based on UK standard (not from other countries)" which could be subjective.
Pantaiema

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Post by tabhar2000 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:04 am

thanks

past experiance's certificates fro two copmanies, which i have submitted was signed and stamped in stendard format with out any job description details in it. Present employer's certifcates was also signed and stamped but attachemnt of job description was not signed....

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Post by geriatrix » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:53 am

past experiance's certificates fro two copmanies, which i have submitted was signed and stamped in stendard format with out any job description details in it.
Then how can you think it possible that this is a valid evidence as per HSMP standard - the most precious bit (detailed job description) was missing :shock: :shock:.
Present employer's certifcates was also signed and stamped but attachemnt of job description was not signed....
The attachement (job description) ... was it on a letter head? If it was, then this might have been acceptable, although signatures would have made it better. But if this attachment was on a plain paper, for HSMP evaluation it is again of no value unless endorsed by employer.

regards

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Post by farah » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:43 am

Your review application is not properly drafted. Frist list down reasons of not awarding points and then give your grounds thereof one by one. Also improve language and coherence.

Farah

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Post by mag » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:24 am

Hey. I am reading the case that you are discussing and for people that is applying can you bring guidance on how detailed the job description should be???

It is clear from your comments and from the guidance documents issued by the HSMP team that start and end date should be provided in a stamped/signed letter from employer. Is it fine just to write a single small parragraph describing the duties/job???

Something like: "Mr. X worked from mm/yyyy to mm/yyyy as a Vice President - Developer in our company. He/She was responsible for developing and implementing new products at our institution. Considering the level of responsibility, Mr X position required a particular level of specialization including graduate studies and previous experience in the industry"

Would something like this be enough???


Thanks for your help

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