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Alternatively, if it is easier for you to get a visit visa in Karachi, why don't you do that? When you arrive Ireland you can then go ahead to process your Spouse's application under the Directive inside Ireland rather than running from Karachi to Instanbul and then maybe elsewhere?sierra wrote:thanks again andy but i think to apply visa from turkey either we need to be resident in turkey or should be resident in any other country which turkey represents .
i think staff in turkey embassy well qualified and they know about directives
in pakistan the karachi conulate staff hardly knows about the directives and usually they ask ordinary visa req but ith out fee visa ill be issued i was told like bank statement and employment details of non eu spouse needed etc.
and process is realy slow up untill now i did not hear any positive feed back about them in this category;
and travel without visa is going to be almost impossible as air lines would not let us aboard.
i read about that as well .
i may be wrong but i dont think he can do this because wife at the time wouldn't be a 'resident' in ireland...she would just be a tourist.adlexy wrote:Alternatively, if it is easier for you to get a visit visa in Karachi, why don't you do that? When you arrive Ireland you can then go ahead to process your Spouse's application under the Directive inside Ireland rather than running from Karachi to Instanbul and then maybe elsewhere?sierra wrote:thanks again andy but i think to apply visa from turkey either we need to be resident in turkey or should be resident in any other country which turkey represents .
i think staff in turkey embassy well qualified and they know about directives
in pakistan the karachi conulate staff hardly knows about the directives and usually they ask ordinary visa req but ith out fee visa ill be issued i was told like bank statement and employment details of non eu spouse needed etc.
and process is realy slow up untill now i did not hear any positive feed back about them in this category;
and travel without visa is going to be almost impossible as air lines would not let us aboard.
i read about that as well .
andyjohnst wrote:To confirm - If you are Irish, you cannot bring your NON-EU spouse to ireland without a visa using the EU Directive/2004/38/EC.
This is only applicable to other member states of the EU but not your own "home" country.
For example. British (UK) national wishing to visit Ireland with NON-EU spouse. IF they manage to board the plane from wherever in the world to Ireland, the immigration officers cannot deny you entry and must give you time to prove your family ties to each other (i.e. prodcusing your marriage certificate, translated into the country of origins language). The NON-EU spouse will then be granted a visa upon entry. There are only 3 exceptional circumstances where they can deny entry, which are pretty sever ones.
hey andy i dont know these guys personally just through friends. however i have mentioned they contact solvit so lets see what feedback they get
The only difficult part is getting the Airline staff to understand the EU directive.
If they do not let you into the country they are breaching EU law and a life ban is totally out of the question!
Nad - If I was you, and you know these people who have then Ban, I would suggest tey contact Solvit about the situation.
My wife received her Accompany EU Spouse visit visa from Irish embassy in Ankara, Turkey in 5 working days (including postage to and from Baku, Azerbaijan to Ankara Turkey).Directive 2004/38/EC has the following to say:
Directive 2004/38/EC
Chapter II — Right of exit and entry
Article 5 — Right of entry
4. Where a Union citizen, or a family member who is not a national of a Member State, does not have the necessary travel documents or, if required, the necessary visas, the Member State concerned shall, before turning them back, give such persons every reasonable opportunity to obtain the necessary documents or have them brought to them within a reasonable period of time or to corroborate or prove by other means that they are covered by the right of free movement and residence.
Each member state has had to transpose Directive 2004/38/EC into their own legislation and must include Article 5 in the transposition.
The European Union comments about this in their document TABLE OF CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN DIRECTIVE 2004/38/EC AND CURRENT EC LEGISLATION ON FREE MOVEMENT AND RESIDENCE OF UNION CITIZENS WITHIN THE EU (quote starts page 6):
Article 5(4) [of Directive 2004/38/EC] works as a safeguard for persons entitled to free movement when they are unable to show the required documents when crossing a border. This provision is based on the judgment of the [ECJ] in case C-459/99 [ruling of 25 July 2002 in MRAX v Belgian State] according to which on a proper construction of Article 3 of Directives 68/360 and 73/148 and Regulation 2317/95, read in conjunction with the principle of proportionality, a Member State may not send back at the border a third country national who is married to a national of a Member State and attempts to enter its territory without being in possession of a valid identity card or passport or, if necessary, a visa, where he is able to prove his identity and the conjugal ties.