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They wouldn´t even have to issue an on-the-spot-visa, they just let you pass, even without stamping your wife´s passport.RathJohn wrote:...we could turn up at the dutch border control with our marriage cert, her gnib card, and our passports and they would have to issue an on the spot visa...
Thanks for your replies guys. Just out of interest I called the dutch embassy today, and explained my situation. The man whom I was talking to there, who incidently seemed to be Irish, told me that I have to make an appointment for the application process and that it now takes 3 weeks or more from the appointment to get the visa, because the application is sent to London now. He also mentioned that they need confirmation that she is travelling with me, or there will be a fee charged for the visa, and that my wife to have insurance too. As far as I'm aware these requests are in contradiction to the EC directive!!Ben wrote:Hi John,
You should have time, as the visa should be issued within a week.
That said, if you fly with Aer Lingus and check-in online or by using one of the self check-in machines in DUB, your wife will very likely not be refused boarding.
Hi RathJohn,RathJohn wrote:...The man whom I was talking to there, who incidently seemed to be Irish, told me that I have to make an appointment for the application process and that it now takes 3 weeks or more from the appointment to get the visa, because the application is sent to London now. He also mentioned that they need confirmation that she is travelling with me...
Spot on ca.funke!ca.funke wrote:Hi RathJohn,RathJohn wrote:...The man whom I was talking to there, who incidently seemed to be Irish, told me that I have to make an appointment for the application process and that it now takes 3 weeks or more from the appointment to get the visa, because the application is sent to London now. He also mentioned that they need confirmation that she is travelling with me...
I wouldn´t blame you for believing some guy in the embassy over some other guys you just happen to read in a forum, however I strongly advise you not to apply for anything, but just fly together with your wife, without applying for a visa!
However, read the info in this forum carefully, print out the law, and have your argumentation ready in case you need it. You might just slip through without any problems, but you can also end up having crazy discussions with crazy airlinestaff/borderguards!
Happy travels,
Rgds,
Christian
Three weeks is not acceptable for simply getting an appointment according to the Schengen rules. One should get a visa within three weeks all in. Your visa should be treated on a priority basis.RathJohn wrote:Thanks for your replies guys. Just out of interest I called the dutch embassy today, and explained my situation. The man whom I was talking to there, who incidently seemed to be Irish, told me that I have to make an appointment for the application process and that it now takes 3 weeks or more from the appointment to get the visa, because the application is sent to London now. He also mentioned that they need confirmation that she is travelling with me, or there will be a fee charged for the visa, and that my wife to have insurance too. As far as I'm aware these requests are in contradiction to the EC directive!!Ben wrote:Hi John,
You should have time, as the visa should be issued within a week.
That said, if you fly with Aer Lingus and check-in online or by using one of the self check-in machines in DUB, your wife will very likely not be refused boarding.
Thanks
John...
If one gets on a plane and to the border with evidence, great! If one's refused, holiday ruined.Ben wrote:Hi John,
You should have time, as the visa should be issued within a week.
That said, if you fly with Aer Lingus and check-in online or by using one of the self check-in machines in DUB, your wife will very likely not be refused boarding.
On the 2004/38/EC directive it states:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:If one gets on a plane and to the border with evidence, great! If one's refused, holiday ruined.Ben wrote:Hi John,
You should have time, as the visa should be issued within a week.
That said, if you fly with Aer Lingus and check-in online or by using one of the self check-in machines in DUB, your wife will very likely not be refused boarding.
Thanks Irisheddy. My wife has vaild re-entry irish visa, so coming back is no problem. It's getting out of here that is!!!!. As some others have explained here, that if we check in online, with no luggage, all should be ok. But my problem is that we are travelling on open tickets and need to check in at the Aer Lingus desk in Dublin.Irisheddy wrote:This seems very clear John. It seems beyond any doubt that you should be able to travel to any EU country as long as you have a valid passport and your wife has either a valid passport or identity document.
My only concern would be coming back into the country. Even irish people have trouble coming in without the appropriate documentation(Or what they think the appropriate documentation is).
It would be the airline that would refuse boarding.RathJohn wrote:On the 2004/38/EC directive it states:EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:If one gets on a plane and to the border with evidence, great! If one's refused, holiday ruined.Ben wrote:Hi John,
You should have time, as the visa should be issued within a week.
That said, if you fly with Aer Lingus and check-in online or by using one of the self check-in machines in DUB, your wife will very likely not be refused boarding.
Article 4
Right of exit
1. Without prejudice to the provisions on travel documents applicable to national border controls,
all Union citizens with a valid identity card or passport and their family members who are not
nationals of a Member State and who hold a valid passport shall have the right to leave the territory
of a Member State to travel to another Member State.
2. No exit visa or equivalent formality may be imposed on the persons to whom paragraph 1
applies.
Is it possible for the Airline to deny boarding without a visa on the above stated law?
Thanks
John.
If you've time; get a visa and relax.RathJohn wrote:Thanks Irisheddy. My wife has vaild re-entry irish visa, so coming back is no problem. It's getting out of here that is!!!!. As some others have explained here, that if we check in online, with no luggage, all should be ok. But my problem is that we are travelling on open tickets and need to check in at the Aer Lingus desk in Dublin.Irisheddy wrote:This seems very clear John. It seems beyond any doubt that you should be able to travel to any EU country as long as you have a valid passport and your wife has either a valid passport or identity document.
My only concern would be coming back into the country. Even irish people have trouble coming in without the appropriate documentation(Or what they think the appropriate documentation is).
John
If you've time; get a visa and relax.[/quote]RathJohn wrote: