Naturalisation - ENGLISH TESTS

brummel · Post by **brummel** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:30 pm

I just saw the confirmation on the IND website that all applicants have to demonstrate English proficiency.

The Cambridge Institute has confirmed that the new ESOL level 3 exam will not be available until early next year and the details of the certification scheme are not available until September.

How was it possible to implement the measure when the exams are not yet ready????

tvt · Post by **tvt** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:38 pm

It will be interesting to see the level of fee for this test.

Legal Immigration - the new milking cow.

Chess · Post by **Chess** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:47 pm

How do you justify foreigners being extremely good at English when half of the English cant speak english let alone write in grammatically correct english....

.....and what do they do - sometimes blame it on Dyslexia

brummel · Post by **brummel** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:56 pm

cost - about £37
http://www.cambridge-efl.org/SfL/lev_mod_tim.cfm

Contact

If you have any further questions regarding Cambridge ESOL's Skills for Life Certificates, please contact:

Lee Knapp
UK Development Manager
Cambridge ESOL
1 Hills Road
Cambridge
CB1 2EU
United Kingdom

Tel. 01223 553978
Fax. 01223 553528

e-mail knapp.l@ucles.org.uk
www.CambridgeESOL.org

I suggest you give them a call and ask why there are no exams until March 2005!

User · Post by **User** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:22 pm

Hi,

I wonder why there would be a neccessity for a formal english test when one has been able to prove that he could economically and professionally been able to survive for a long time in the UK : for example in my case: a total of 4 years and 7 months continuosly in the UK : 2.5 years in WP + 1.5 years in HSMP (which includes one renewal in HSMP) and finally about 7 montsh so far as an ILR holder.

How was I able to survive successfully all through these years with my whatever level of eglish expertise) if they doubt it at the stage of naturalisation.

I really find that things dont' add up at all - in most of the legislation and rules that UK government comes up with.

Most of them really contradict themselves. No disrespect to law meant here though! Just a simple frustration

Whatever it is - I will take the test and get naturalised soon anyways

regards.

brummel · Post by **brummel** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:41 am

More questions:

Would an Australian or a Canadian have to take the test considering they spoke English all their lives?

Would a person with a BA from Canadian University where English was the language of instruction have to take the English test?

tvt · Post by **tvt** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:42 am

It is the money they are after.

AtW · Post by **AtW** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:32 am

tnavon wrote:It is the money they are after.

And what do you think majority of immigrants are after? Freedom of speech? Or leading political opposition to their home Govt in exile?

Talking of English - I believe anyone with a degree from a recognised course taught in English will not have to take tests.

tvt · Post by **tvt** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:42 am

ATW,

Your argument is irrelevant. The government's motive should not follow the individual immigrants' motive.

AtW · Post by **AtW** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:43 am

tnavon wrote:Your argument is irrelevant. The government's motive should not follow the individual immigrants' motive.

First off its AtW, not ATW or ATw.

Secondly argument is perfectly relevant - immigrants are the ones who typically stand to gain most in terms of money, its only fair if they share part of it as means of payment for public services that they at best contributed for only a couple of years.

Personally I think that imposing 10 year higher personal taxation on immigrants is a fair action provided taxation is capped at reasonable leve, ie as soon as overall tax contributed reaches something like £100k then they are let off it.

Bottom line is that if you don't like it then don't immigrate. There are enough people who would gladly take you place.

tvt · Post by **tvt** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:57 am

British economy gains well above from these immigrants and this is the ultimate reason that those immigrants are allowed here.

New immigrants are not allowed to enjoy any state benefits by virtue of the "No Recourse to Public Funds" rule.

AtW · Post by **AtW** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:22 pm

tnavon wrote:British economy gains well above from these immigrants and this is the ultimate reason that those immigrants are allowed here.

Well, I am actually convinced that in at least a number of areas immigration is used to force local pay rates down, thus benefiting businesses. Look at another thread from which its clear that ex-immigrants from new EU states earn on average just £8k pa.

tnavon wrote:New immigrants are not allowed to enjoy any state benefits by virtue of the "No Recourse to Public Funds" rule.

They are allowed to use NHS, police, courts system etc - after they get ILR they gain access to everything else.

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Naturalisation - ENGLISH TESTS

Naturalisation - ENGLISH TESTS