visit to France with husband

zatoon · Post by **zatoon** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:38 pm

I am a British citizen intending to travel to France in the next couple of months for a few days (business trip). I would like my husband (originally from Pakistan ).
to accompany me who at the moments does not have a British passport but has been granted stay in the UK as my husband for 2 years. does he require a visa, I have looked at the French Embassy website and i suspect I do , which leads me to the next question, I think I will need a translated version of the marriage certificate which must be certified by a consular officer. Please could you tell me how I would go about doing this.
the marriage certificate that was used for my husbands visa to the UK was just a translation of our Urdu one, with no signatures. I have a copy of this, can I use it in the interview? Thanks for reading

zatoon · Post by **zatoon** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:43 am

is someone able to help? or point me in the right direction

Post by **John** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:37 pm

I think the French Consulate will need a certified translation. You might like to contact the Pakistani embassy and ask them for suggestions on how to get such a certified translation of the marriage certificate.

And yes, your husband will need to get a Schengen visa before entering a Schengen country such as France.

But as from 13th October 2006 the rules are changing and holders of a UK-issued "Residence Permit" .... have a look at your husband's 2-year spouse visa ... will not need a Schengen visa to enter Schengen space for up to 90 days.

marianne001 · Post by **marianne001** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:26 pm

But as from 13th October 2006 the rules are changing and holders of a UK-issued "Residence Permit" .... have a look at your husband's 2-year spouse visa ... will not need a Schengen visa to enter Schengen space for up to 90 days.

Where does it say this? that would be interesting...But wouldn't it be only for people with ILR as opposed to any EC or LTR/FLR visa? Otherwise that would just get tricky.

Zatoon, your husband will not need to pay for the visa (for short stay) because he is married to an EU Citizen. I'm not sure whether you'd have to go down to the embassy with him or just send your passport+documents (well...you'd have to check this out) but he does not need to pay for the visa.

zatoon · Post by **zatoon** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:58 pm

Thank you both for your replies. I will be going over in late September so unfortunately will need to get him a visa.

I have dealt with people at the Pakistani embassy before and fear getting a certified translation of the marriage certificate will be a mammoth task, but I’ll try…you never know.
Should I send them my husbands name and passport number so they may find his Visa application to the UK and hopefully they will just email / post the translated marriage certificate with some certification on it.

Good news on not having to pay to apply for the Visa! However I have checked the website and I have to go down to the embassy as I live in the west midlands.
Thanks once again for your help

Post by **John** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:20 pm

Zatoon, as you live in the West Midlands, you might like to enquire of the French Consulate in London whether a translation done at the Brasshouse Language Centre in Birmingham would be acceptable to them?

Brasshouse is the largest specialist language school in the UK, teaching nearly 30 different languages, and the tutors there sometimes get asked to do translations. Certainly Urdu is one of the languages taught there.

When you apply to the French Consulate in London do ensure that you supply both the Pakistani original certificate and also the translation of it into English.

happyfamily · Post by **happyfamily** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:00 pm

And yes, your husband will need to get a Schengen visa before entering a Schengen country such as France.

But as from 13th October 2006 the rules are changing and holders of a UK-issued "Residence Permit" .... have a look at your husband's 2-year spouse visa ... will not need a Schengen visa to enter Schengen space for up to 90 days.

hi john

i have a important question: who doesn't need visa to go to france among what you said above? i'm french and my husband is pakistani and he has EEA2 for 5 years. so are you saying that he doesn't need visa? could you tell me where you found it.

many thanks and blessing.[/quote]

Post by **John** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:54 pm

The new EU legislation? It can be downloaded by clicking here.

There is lots of small print! The direction I would point you in is Article 5, 1(b ), and in particular the words at the end of that, namely, "except where they hold a valid residence permit;".

And the definition of residence permit in Article 2, part 15. It is of course the case that UK ECs have for some while now been issued in the style specified there.

But lots of the rest of the document also applies.

I have yet to spot anything on an embassy website about this, but hopefully an official statement will appear soon.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:35 pm

John wrote:The new EU legislation? It can be downloaded by clicking here.

There is lots of small print! The direction I would point you in is Article 5, 1(b ), and in particular the words at the end of that, namely, "except where they hold a valid residence permit;".

And the definition of residence permit in Article 2, part 15. It is of course the case that UK ECs have for some while now been issued in the style specified there.

But lots of the rest of the document also applies.

I have yet to spot anything on an embassy website about this, but hopefully an official statement will appear soon.

john, does this apply to holders of student visas? My gf has a 'Residence permit' in her passport valid until Oct 08.

Steve

scrudu · Post by **scrudu** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:28 am

As the UK and Ireland are not part of the Schengen Agreement, does this EC Regulation apply to holders of residence permits in those countries?

happyfamily · Post by **happyfamily** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:44 pm

hi john

do you think UK is included because so far UK was not in Schengen Space.

Among the link "REGULATION (EC) No 562/2006 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 March 2006 establishing a Community Code on the rules governing the movement of persons across borders (Schengen Borders Code)" you think that all EEa Residence Permit are allowed to travel easily from 13th October?

many thanks

shivers · Post by **shivers** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:36 am

OK, having read these threads, I'm a little confused...sorry.

My wife has come here from Pakistan and has a UK settlement visa valid for 2 years until Oct 2008.

I'm a British citizen but with this new rule that came into force from 13th October, can anyone advise me if she needs a SCHENGEN visa to travel with on a day trip to France or not?

Has anyone done this yet? What was your experience?

Post by **John** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:46 am

Shivers, I think there is a lot of confusion about this. I have just emailed my MEP pointing out that she has yet to reply to my query on exactly this subject. I know that she was taking the matter up with Franco Frattini, who in the EU Commissioner responsible for such matters at the EU Commission.

Hopefully I shall have more information to post shortly.

shivers · Post by **shivers** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:51 am

Thanks John, I have also written a quick e-mail to to French consulate in London to ask them as well, will post the reply I get from them if I receive one.

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:33 am

I think you might find link quite useful:

http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/fr ... try_en.htm

shivers · Post by **shivers** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:48 am

Thanks , that is a very useful link! Very clearly explained:
Which documents are required for family members who are not EU nationals?
"If the family members are not EU nationals, the EU Member State(s) to or through which travel is intended may require an entry visa, depending on their nationality. This visa should be granted free of charge and without undue formalities by the competent consulate authorities. These freedoms apply to non-EU national family members only when they accompany or join an EU citizen."

It doesn't say anything about the October 06 ruling, therefore I should apply for an entry visa for my wife to travel to France with me, unless I hear otherwise from the e-mail I sent to the French embassy or from John.

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leenaa · Post by **leenaa** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:01 pm

Hi,

Happyfamily I have noticed that you are French and asking about visa for your husband to go to France. Actually, I don't know if this apply for EEA2 holders but I just want to let you know what I was told.

I am French too and my husband is Asian. I needed to get my passport with my married name and therefore I went to the French Consulate.

They told me the 1st step is to make your marriage recongnized by the French Governement. Once it is recognized, you will receive your Livret de Famille.
The 2nd step is to ask a new birth certificate at the town hall of where you born in France. You can do that online. Better to phone them 1st to be sure that your marriage is now mentionned on your birth certificate.
The 3rd step is to change your french passport in order to have your married name on it. (it is free)

The day I had my new passport they told me that if my husband wants to go to France, he needs to have a valid travel document and he will still need to get to have a visa. But as I have now the Livret de Famille and my new passport, they will give him a visa without problem and free of charge. Even, he won't need to fill up the full application form and no need to fill up all the sponsor and work stuff.
They have also advised me to take an appointment on the website.

Maybe this doesn't apply to EEA2 card holders. I have discovered about the EEA2 card only yesterday thanks to this forum.
Happyfamily, If you were told all that doesn't apply to EEA2 card holder, please let me know.

Thanks,
Leena

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