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HSMP Scheme Suspended

Post by Smit » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:44 pm

HSMP has been suspended until 5th Dec 2006:

http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/aboutu ... ledworkers

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Post by abcd1 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:00 pm

And the point scoring criteria will change when it will be re-introduced. :shock:

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hi

Post by paramjit2k » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:18 pm

I sent my application today by courier...

What will happen now...My all effort was waste...
:(

Please tell me....
Regards,

Pam Aujla

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Re: hi

Post by hari15 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:27 pm

paramjit2k wrote:I sent my application today by courier...

What will happen now...My all effort was waste...
:(

Please tell me....
As per rules they will accept only if it reach by today

But dont worry since you have posted by today, there are chances for them to accept your application by courtesy

anyway call hsmp team and request them stating that you have posted by 7th
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Post by captain74 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:27 pm

Does this mean that those applying for extension after 05 Dec might be given an opportunity to settle permanently?

High hopes :)

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Post by captain74 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:32 pm

You are safe if your application reaches today. See the link below

http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... itial.html

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Re: hi

Post by hari15 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:33 pm

paramjit2k wrote:I sent my application today by courier...

What will happen now...My all effort was waste...
:(

Please tell me....
also check whether you are getting quailfied by new scheme..

If Yes then dont worry at all, even if you get these documents returned, you can apply on that scheme after Dec5th. Just you should wait 1 month thats it

Cheers

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Post by Smit » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:34 pm

paramjit,

You (and many many others) may be out of luck if your application has not been received by the charging team latest by 5pm UK time today, 7th Nov. 06. This is what has been announced:

* HSMP applications received up to 5pm on 7 November 2006 by our payment processing centre will be accepted and considered against the old criteria.

* Furthermore, anyone already in receipt of a HSMP approval letter can still apply for entry clearance at a visa post for up to 6 months from the date that the approval letter has been issued.

* Applications received on the old HSMP forms from 8 November onwards will be returned to the applicant/representative, with no fee taken.

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Post by sams » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:35 pm

Well, as H.O. announced new point system for HSMP initial and extension,
it will be very difficult for a person currently on HSMP aged over 34 to satisfy minimum 75 points for further extension.
When HSMP initial approval was granted, there was no clue for such rules for HSMP extension. People setteled here for last 3-4 years might have to go back, if not been able to satisfy min 75 points for further extension.

The way H.O. new rules are going against migrants, people affected by ILR 4-5 yrs rule change and just waiting for the extra one year to get ILR can further be decieved by H.O. with a future annoucment (expected in March 2007 or before) for new ILR rules (can be again minimum points system).

It can be expected that even after waiting for 5 yrs (4 + 1 extra) to get ILR, lot of people won't be able to satisfy those new points system to get ILR.....
It seems H.O. is only working towards an aim, not to provide any settlement to the hard working tax-payers without even thinking, how it's going to effect their lives...

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hi

Post by paramjit2k » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:43 pm

I really spent many many rest less days just to get my application ready...

Just to see this day..I really got kn knees for getting those stupid reference letters...for these inhuman treatment...

These people really using this system..have u really seen new point system...it is really out of the way...

I really dont have good words for them
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Post by captain74 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:45 pm

I am not able to find the new point system applicable to those applying for extension.

Can somebody please post the relevant link?

Thanks

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Post by hari15 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:08 pm

New Point system is like this..

Minimum Points required is now -75 (not 65)

Education
Bachelors Degree - 30 Points

Master's Degree - 35 Points

Phd - 50 Points

Age

Below 28 - 20 Points

28 to 29 - 10 Points

30 - 32 - 5 Points


Above 32 - No points


Earning

There are many ranges of income here starting from 5 points to 40 Points.. One really have to see the Guidence form to learn under what range they are falling based on their Country (Please check with guidance form I may be wrong in low & higher range points here)



UK Qualification/Experience
If you have any qualification done in UK or any work experience in UK, you have 5 points Bonus


Apart from this English is Mandatory at Bachelor Degree Level, if not, passing TOEFL is must


These are not considered anymore

1. Work Experience
2. Spouce Skills
3. Significant Achievement

These are no more considered

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Post by abcd1 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:35 pm

To be honest, the scoring system looks much more easier for young (below 30) applicants. However, it is too tough for people over 32 unless you have Master's or PhD or earn a fortune instead!

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Post by first2last4 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:44 pm

hari15 wrote:
Apart from this English is Mandatory at Bachelor Degree Level, if not, passing TOEFL is must
As I read irrespective of the language of your degree you still have to pass the IELTS exam.

Another question though, what about the existing WP holder will they have to pass this new scheme?
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Post by abcd1 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:50 pm

The earlier command paper said for WP holders, the pass mark will be 50 (using quite similar criteria) - let's see what's stored in our future.....

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Post by hari15 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:54 pm

abcd1 wrote:The earlier command paper said for WP holders, the pass mark will be 50 (using quite similar criteria) - let's see what's stored in our future.....
Is it?

where does this said?

I am a wp holder... trying for HSMP

according to earlier scheme I also should get 65 points

Now also I should get 75 points, if I am not wrong

I think there is No benefit to wp holders, other than that 5 points Bonus

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Important Information: HSMP rules changes!

Post by milz » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:04 pm

For those who are having problems logging into the www.workingintheuk.gov.uk website:

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Important Information: HSMP changes for initial and extension applications

From 7th November 2006 the HSMP or Highly Skilled Migrant Programme will be suspended until December 4th 2006


On 7 November 2006, Liam Byrne, Minister for Immigration, Nationality and Citizenship announced a change in the Rules for the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme (HSMP). Applicants under this scheme will be judged against new enhanced points criteria designed to better reflect the likelihood of migrants' labour market success. The result will be to bring the HSMP closer in line with the Government's aims for migration, including supporting an objective set by the IND Review (July 2006), to 'boost Britain's economy by bringing the right skills here from around the world'.

HSMP is currently the only points-based immigration route into the UK. The change in assessment criteria reflects our determination to ensure greater transparency and objectivity in decision making for the applicant. Importantly too, these changes will inform the decisions Government will take towards establishing the new five-tiered Points Based System for all migration routes to the UK to work or study by April 2009.

In summary:

New points criteria for initial HSMP applications


There will be changes to the attributes for which points are awarded. We are deleting the work experience, significant achievements, skilled partner and GP Priority Provision categories. The new attributes will be academic qualifications, previous earnings, age and bonus points for previous work/study in the UK. The provision which allows holders of MBA degrees from designated institutions will continue. In addition, there will be a new mandatory English language requirement (IELTS level 6 or equivalent) for all applicants.
The changes will be made by announcing the deletion of the existing HSMP rules on 7 November 2006, effective from 8 November 2006. As part of this announcement, to prepare applicants and ensure an effective operational transition, we will effect a short suspension of the scheme until 4 December 2006. The revised scheme will be operational from 5 December 2006.
Suspending the HSMP for 27 days will enable us to manage the transition most effectively with the available resources and ensure that current levels of customer service are maintained when the new arrangements are introduced.


Initial HSMP applications during the suspension period

HSMP applications received up to 5pm on 7 November 2006 by our payment processing centre will be accepted and considered against the old criteria.
Furthermore, anyone already in receipt of a HSMP approval letter can still apply for entry clearance at a visa post for up to 6 months from the date that the approval letter has been issued.
Applications received on the old HSMP forms from 8 November onwards will be returned to the applicant/representative, with no fee taken.
The new HSMP forms and guidance will be available from our website from 7 November 2006; hard copies will be available to order later in November. Customers should not submit applications on the new form during the suspension. Any applications received after 5 December 2006 will be prioritised. Any applications received on the new form during the suspension period will take more time to process, since priority will be given to those applications received from 5 December.


New criteria for the extension of leave under HSMP

We will introduce a more robust points test for applicants looking for an extension of an initial period of leave under HSMP. This involves replacing the current test, that applicants must show that they have 'taken all reasonable steps to become lawfully economically active' with a new points test, which applies the same attributes being introduced for initial decisions: English language, previous earnings, qualifications and age.
The revised Leave to Remain criteria will ensure that those people on the programme who wish to extend their stay have been making a contribution to the UK economy.
Transitional arrangements will apply for those whose leave to remain expires under the new rules and whose applications will be considered against the new criteria. Those who are making a useful contribution to the UK economy - for example, working in a skilled job - but who fail to meet the new requirements, will be offered a 'grace period' in which they can switch into the Work Permits scheme (provided they meet the Work Permits criteria, with the Resident Labour Market Test being waived if they have been in post for a specified period).


Applications to extend leave to remain during the suspension period

We will not be considering extension applications during the suspension period. However, those on the HSMP whose leave to remain expires during the suspension period will not be disadvantaged, as their extension applications will be accepted and they will be given the opportunity to provide further evidence towards the consideration of their application under the new rules.

The old FLR (IED) form will continue to be accepted until 4 December. We will write to applicants applying on this form, informing them of the new arrangements and offering the opportunity to submit relevant pages of the new form, plus any additional evidence that may be necessary.


HSMP Review requests

Any HSMP review request received from individuals whose application was refused under the previous HSMP criteria, in place until 7 November 2006, will be reviewed against the previous criteria. Please note these reviews may not have been completed by 5 December 2006 when the new HSMP criteria come into effect.


New mandatory English requirement and documentation verification


We will promote the new mandatory English language requirement to ensure that applicants are aware of the level of proficiency necessary to support a successful application.
We will promote the change to the scheme which puts responsibility on the applicant to submit the required documentation with their application. We will verify evidence provided with an appropriate third party and not through direct contact with the applicant. We will confirm that applicants that don?t provide the required evidence or submit documents that cannot be verified will fail.
IND will conduct a thorough review of the changes to the HSMP scheme, covering both how the changes were implemented and their effectiveness.
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Post by first2last4 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:23 pm

At least in country application can amalgate the WP + HSMP period for ILR.

To qualify for settlement in the UK you must have spent a continuous period of five years in the UK in a category leading to settlement (please also see paragraph 105 of this guidance), except for short holidays or business trips. Any secondment that requires you to be outside the UK for an unbroken period of over three months will make your previous stay in the UK ineligible as a continuous period in the UK. Further details on settlement can be found at: www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk
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Post by docitduo » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:46 pm

For HSMP extensions too one needs to score points as per the new scoring criteria. Evidence of English proficiency is also mandatory at the extension stage. Please check guidance and forms for details.

The new FLR form, aptly named FLR(HSMP), and guidelines are now available on http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... forms.html

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Extension Points

Post by bergdorf » Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:29 pm

A brief summary of the Points required for Extension. I'm sure there are things I've missed out on!

Qualifications
PhD – 50
Masters – 35
Bachelors – 30

Previous Earnings (GROSS before tax)
If initial HSMP visa was for 12 months or less, earnings are assessed for the last 8 months (£)
26,500+ - 45
23,300 – 26,499 - 40
21,300 – 23,299 - 35
19,300 – 21,299 - 30
17,300 – 19,299 - 25
15,300 - 17,299 - 20
13,300 - 15,299 - 15
12,000 - 13,299 - 10
10,650 – 11,999 - 5

If initial HSMP visa was for 12+ months, earnings are assessed for the last 12 months (£)
40,000 + - 45
35,000 – 39,999 - 40
32,000 – 34,999 - 35
29,000 – 31,999 - 30
26,000 – 28,999 - 25
23,000 – 25,999 - 20
20,000 – 22,999 - 15
18,000 – 19,999 - 10
16,000 – 17,999 - 5

UK Experience
5 points if:
Your previous leave was for 12 months+
• You can claim points from the Previous Earning section AND
• At least £16,000 was earned in the UK
OR
Your previous leave was for 12 months or less
• You can claim points from the Previous Earnings section AND
• At least £10,650 was earned in the UK

Age
• 29 or younger – 20
• 30 or 31 – 10
• 32 or 33 – 5

Minimum points you need to score - 75

There is also an additional English Language requirement.
You need to show:
• IELTS Band 6 or
• UK equivalent Bachelors Degree taught in English

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Re: hi

Post by luisabush » Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:58 pm

paramjit2k wrote:I sent my application today by courier...

What will happen now...My all effort was waste...
:(

Please tell me....
+1 :cry:

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GROSS salary before tax?

Post by mcu » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:51 pm

Hi friends,
Does this mean salary before tax deductions? e.g. If annual salary is £40000 does this mean 40K or 40K - tax ?



Regards,

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Re: Extension Points

Post by junior » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:08 pm

Hello,

Can you kindly let me know from where have you checked the new point system for extension, as this information, I was not able to find on the workingtheuk website.

That shall be helpful.

Many thanks

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Junior
bergdorf wrote:A brief summary of the Points required for Extension. I'm sure there are things I've missed out on!

Qualifications
PhD – 50
Masters – 35
Bachelors – 30

Previous Earnings (GROSS before tax)
If initial HSMP visa was for 12 months or less, earnings are assessed for the last 8 months (£)
26,500+ - 45
23,300 – 26,499 - 40
21,300 – 23,299 - 35
19,300 – 21,299 - 30
17,300 – 19,299 - 25
15,300 - 17,299 - 20
13,300 - 15,299 - 15
12,000 - 13,299 - 10
10,650 – 11,999 - 5

If initial HSMP visa was for 12+ months, earnings are assessed for the last 12 months (£)
40,000 + - 45
35,000 – 39,999 - 40
32,000 – 34,999 - 35
29,000 – 31,999 - 30
26,000 – 28,999 - 25
23,000 – 25,999 - 20
20,000 – 22,999 - 15
18,000 – 19,999 - 10
16,000 – 17,999 - 5

UK Experience
5 points if:
Your previous leave was for 12 months+
• You can claim points from the Previous Earning section AND
• At least £16,000 was earned in the UK
OR
Your previous leave was for 12 months or less
• You can claim points from the Previous Earnings section AND
• At least £10,650 was earned in the UK

Age
• 29 or younger – 20
• 30 or 31 – 10
• 32 or 33 – 5

Minimum points you need to score - 75

There is also an additional English Language requirement.
You need to show:
• IELTS Band 6 or
• UK equivalent Bachelors Degree taught in English

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Post by rella » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:28 pm

Does anyone know if you can get a 6-month visitor's visa when an HSMP expires?

I need to vent. I was hoping we could get the extension before we got totally $%£@ over by another HO rule change.

Here is our sad tale of woe.

My husband is the one with the HSMP. His initial one year is up on Nov 26. We were getting the FLR app ready when I saw these new rules. He will not be eligible under the new criteria. He's over 40 and he only has a B.S. He didn't make enough the last year to qualify for income points. We spent our own funds over the last year setting up a software business over here. We have released several new products and things are going pretty well, though we're not making enough to support us. Our bank just made us a business loan to expand our business into hardware, so we've been working like mad on that.

Here's our series of incidents of bad luck/timing with HO rule changes:

We came over initially with my husband on a student visa to do a Ph.D. My husband's advisor ended up being impossible to work with. So, we checked with the HO and found out that my husband should be eligible for HSMP. At that time, you could switch visas from student to HSMP in the country. So, he applied. At that time, it was taking about 2 months to process applications. Well... it ended up taking 7 months. During that time, they changed the rules about switching visas in-country and student visas could no longer be switched to HSMP. When my husband got his approval letter, it stated that the approval was for in-country switching only. They refused to provide a letter that would allow us to go our home country and get EC. So, he had to apply all over again with a fresh application, even though he had a valid and current approval letter. While that was in process -- took 4 months that time -- they started sending out generic approval letters for either in or out-of-country routes. But, they wouldn't give him one.

The second HSMP application was approved and we had to go back to the U.S. to get EC. They gave him one year on the HSMP. A few weeks later they changed it to 2 years for the initial visa. So, we just missed that one. Then, as you all know, they changed the ILR rules from 4 years to 5.

Then the announcement came today. And with no notice, our lives are turned upside down. We have no time to adjust. No time to save money to move. No time to move our business to a new country.

What a mess. And how nice of them to give us all some warning. One requirement of HSMP was to plan on settling permanently. We came here with that intent. Yet, they can change the rules on those who are already in the system and making lives over here with no notice at all.

Unbelievable.
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hi

Post by paramjit2k » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:58 am

1. how they are going to establish some one is highly skilled without experince certificates...

2. They cud had given 1 week or so to people who have put some much effort in the application with older system.

3. What about time wasted for earlier application with old system.
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