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HSMP SUSPENSION TILL 4th Dec, News Rules for HSMP

Post by Arunk » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:07 pm

HSMP has been suspended till 4th Dec,

New rules will be applicable after 5th december 2006.

See posting on 07/11/06 on www.workingintheuk.gov.uk

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Post by inso » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:18 pm

(For those who can't open the page; their server seems to be struggling -- my highlights):

In summary:

New points criteria for initial HSMP applications

* There will be changes to the attributes for which points are awarded. We are deleting the work experience, significant achievements, skilled partner and GP Priority Provision categories. The new attributes will be academic qualifications, previous earnings, age and bonus points for previous work/study in the UK. The provision which allows holders of MBA degrees from designated institutions will continue. In addition, there will be a new mandatory English language requirement (IELTS level 6 or equivalent) for all applicants.

* The changes will be made by announcing the deletion of the existing HSMP rules on 7 November 2006, effective from 8 November 2006. As part of this announcement, to prepare applicants and ensure an effective operational transition, we will effect a short suspension of the scheme until 4 December 2006. The revised scheme will be operational from 5 December 2006.

* Suspending the HSMP for 27 days will enable us to manage the transition most effectively with the available resources and ensure that current levels of customer service are maintained when the new arrangements are introduced.

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Post by John » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:21 pm

This is highly important! Anyone thinking of applying for HSMP needs to read this, and indeed go to the www.workingintheUK.gov.uk website and get more detail.
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Post by first2last4 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:36 pm

The sites not coming up.
Can anyone lay a rough break up of the new point system.
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Post by sams » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:37 pm

Well, as H.O. announced new point system for HSMP initial and extension,
it will be very difficult for a person currently on HSMP aged over 34 to satisfy minimum 75 points for further extension.
When HSMP initial approval was granted, there was no clue for such rules for HSMP extension. People setteled here for last 3-4 years might have to go back, if not been able to satisfy min 75 points for further extension.

The way H.O. new rules are going against migrants, people affected by ILR 4-5 yrs rule change and just waiting for the extra one year to get ILR can further be decieved by H.O. with a future annoucment (expected in March 2007 or before) for new ILR rules (can be again minimum points system).

It can be expected that even after waiting for 5 yrs (4 + 1 extra) to get ILR, lot of people won't be able to satisfy those new points system to get ILR.....
It seems H.O. is only working towards an aim, not to provide any settlement to the hard working tax-payers without even thinking, how it's going to effect their lives...


http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... itial.html

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Important Information: HSMP rules changes!

Post by milz » Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:08 pm

For those who are having problems logging into the www.workingintheuk.gov.uk website:

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Important Information: HSMP changes for initial and extension applications

From 7th November 2006 the HSMP or Highly Skilled Migrant Programme will be suspended until December 4th 2006


On 7 November 2006, Liam Byrne, Minister for Immigration, Nationality and Citizenship announced a change in the Rules for the Highly Skilled Migrant Programme (HSMP). Applicants under this scheme will be judged against new enhanced points criteria designed to better reflect the likelihood of migrants' labour market success. The result will be to bring the HSMP closer in line with the Government's aims for migration, including supporting an objective set by the IND Review (July 2006), to 'boost Britain's economy by bringing the right skills here from around the world'.

HSMP is currently the only points-based immigration route into the UK. The change in assessment criteria reflects our determination to ensure greater transparency and objectivity in decision making for the applicant. Importantly too, these changes will inform the decisions Government will take towards establishing the new five-tiered Points Based System for all migration routes to the UK to work or study by April 2009.

In summary:

New points criteria for initial HSMP applications


There will be changes to the attributes for which points are awarded. We are deleting the work experience, significant achievements, skilled partner and GP Priority Provision categories. The new attributes will be academic qualifications, previous earnings, age and bonus points for previous work/study in the UK. The provision which allows holders of MBA degrees from designated institutions will continue. In addition, there will be a new mandatory English language requirement (IELTS level 6 or equivalent) for all applicants.
The changes will be made by announcing the deletion of the existing HSMP rules on 7 November 2006, effective from 8 November 2006. As part of this announcement, to prepare applicants and ensure an effective operational transition, we will effect a short suspension of the scheme until 4 December 2006. The revised scheme will be operational from 5 December 2006.
Suspending the HSMP for 27 days will enable us to manage the transition most effectively with the available resources and ensure that current levels of customer service are maintained when the new arrangements are introduced.


Initial HSMP applications during the suspension period

HSMP applications received up to 5pm on 7 November 2006 by our payment processing centre will be accepted and considered against the old criteria.
Furthermore, anyone already in receipt of a HSMP approval letter can still apply for entry clearance at a visa post for up to 6 months from the date that the approval letter has been issued.
Applications received on the old HSMP forms from 8 November onwards will be returned to the applicant/representative, with no fee taken.
The new HSMP forms and guidance will be available from our website from 7 November 2006; hard copies will be available to order later in November. Customers should not submit applications on the new form during the suspension. Any applications received after 5 December 2006 will be prioritised. Any applications received on the new form during the suspension period will take more time to process, since priority will be given to those applications received from 5 December.


New criteria for the extension of leave under HSMP

We will introduce a more robust points test for applicants looking for an extension of an initial period of leave under HSMP. This involves replacing the current test, that applicants must show that they have 'taken all reasonable steps to become lawfully economically active' with a new points test, which applies the same attributes being introduced for initial decisions: English language, previous earnings, qualifications and age.
The revised Leave to Remain criteria will ensure that those people on the programme who wish to extend their stay have been making a contribution to the UK economy.
Transitional arrangements will apply for those whose leave to remain expires under the new rules and whose applications will be considered against the new criteria. Those who are making a useful contribution to the UK economy - for example, working in a skilled job - but who fail to meet the new requirements, will be offered a 'grace period' in which they can switch into the Work Permits scheme (provided they meet the Work Permits criteria, with the Resident Labour Market Test being waived if they have been in post for a specified period).


Applications to extend leave to remain during the suspension period

We will not be considering extension applications during the suspension period. However, those on the HSMP whose leave to remain expires during the suspension period will not be disadvantaged, as their extension applications will be accepted and they will be given the opportunity to provide further evidence towards the consideration of their application under the new rules.

The old FLR (IED) form will continue to be accepted until 4 December. We will write to applicants applying on this form, informing them of the new arrangements and offering the opportunity to submit relevant pages of the new form, plus any additional evidence that may be necessary.


HSMP Review requests

Any HSMP review request received from individuals whose application was refused under the previous HSMP criteria, in place until 7 November 2006, will be reviewed against the previous criteria. Please note these reviews may not have been completed by 5 December 2006 when the new HSMP criteria come into effect.


New mandatory English requirement and documentation verification

We will promote the new mandatory English language requirement to ensure that applicants are aware of the level of proficiency necessary to support a successful application.
We will promote the change to the scheme which puts responsibility on the applicant to submit the required documentation with their application. We will verify evidence provided with an appropriate third party and not through direct contact with the applicant. We will confirm that applicants that don?t provide the required evidence or submit documents that cannot be verified will fail.
IND will conduct a thorough review of the changes to the HSMP scheme, covering both how the changes were implemented and their effectiveness.
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Post by M6 » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:25 pm

Hello Sam,
Couldn't understand.... Do we again have to prove/obtain 75 points??

What does this mean? sorry haven't got chance to read full what is mentioned about this change. I got my HSMP visa on juanaury 25, came to UK on March 14 and now supposed to apply for FLR/LTR before January. You mean I need to obtain/prove 75 points again?

cheers...

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Post by Legal Centre » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:39 am

Yes, you do...

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HSMP NEW CHANGES

Post by ATBPLC » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:26 am

THE DIE IS CAST. THERE IS NO END TO INDICATIONS TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN USED AND ITS TIME TO GO HOME.

DEAR HSMP BENEFICIARIES WE ARE STILL FIGHTING THE 5 YEAR RULE AND THEN THIS ONE. THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL IS CLEAR----- GO HOME .

IF NOT HOW CAN ONE EXPLAIN THE TENSION GENERATED DAILY BY CHANGE IN RULES OF TYHE GAME WHEN THE GAME HAD STARTED?

GIVEN THESE RULES. HOW CAN SOMEBODY OF OVER 40 YEARS EVEN WITH MASTERS DEGREE GET 75% KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT OVER 50% OF HSMP ARE ENGAGED IN JOBS BELOW THEIR SKILLS IN UK.

MY PEOPLE, WHICH WAY FORWARD, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT WILL NEED TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR TO COMPLETE THE 5 YEARS.

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Re: HSMP NEW CHANGES

Post by olisun » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:40 am

ATBPLC wrote: GIVEN THESE RULES. HOW CAN SOMEBODY OF OVER 40 YEARS EVEN WITH MASTERS DEGREE GET 75% KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT OVER 50% OF HSMP ARE ENGAGED IN JOBS BELOW THEIR SKILLS IN UK.
Not sounding rude this is what the new rules mention clearly...

They want young highly skilled candidates who will continue to contribute to the economy for many years rather than aged people who will eventually find it difficult to find work in the UK and "may" be a burden on the country....

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Post by rella » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:54 am

Now, we understand what the change in the 4 year rule is all about. They wanted to make every person in the HSMP system have to apply for FLR, so that they could cull many out and send them home. I don't see any other way to take this.

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THE NEW POINTS CRITERIA - a mixed bag of woes -all details

Post by umeshsethi » Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:45 am

http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... idance.doc


This is link to new points criteria in detail.

It has significant impact and is stricter but perhaps in a way reduces some inconsistencies as well.

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Post by deep_rp » Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:59 am

Hi,
Check out the new points calculator at

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Thanks
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Post by ATBPLC » Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:38 pm

THE QUESTIONS ARE:

WHY ADMINISTER THE CHANGE ON THOSE WHO HAD SETTLED IN UK, SOME WITH THEIR FAMILIESA?

WHY THE AGE DISCRIMINATION. CAN ONE SUDDENLY CHANGE HIS/HER AGE AFTER ARRIVING UK. HO SAW THE VARIOUS AGES AND APPROVED VISA FOR THOSE ABOVE 35. WHY NOW DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM?

IS HO NOT AWARE OF THE DIFFICULTIES FACED BY HSMP IN GETTING SKILLED AND WELL PAID JOBS?

HOW MANY HSMP ARE IN THE WAGE BRACKET OF £18,000 AND ABOVE?

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN 3 YEAR EXTENSION AND THEREFORE WILL NEED ONLY ONE YEAR EXTENSION BEFORE SETTLEMENT WHEN OTHERS IN THEIR CATEGORY WERE LUCKY TO GET 4YEARS EXTENSION

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Post by ATBPLC » Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:38 pm

THE QUESTIONS ARE:

WHY ADMINISTER THE CHANGE ON THOSE WHO HAD SETTLED IN UK, SOME WITH THEIR FAMILIESA?

WHY THE AGE DISCRIMINATION. CAN ONE SUDDENLY CHANGE HIS/HER AGE AFTER ARRIVING UK. HO SAW THE VARIOUS AGES AND APPROVED VISA FOR THOSE ABOVE 35. WHY NOW DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM?

IS HO NOT AWARE OF THE DIFFICULTIES FACED BY HSMP IN GETTING SKILLED AND WELL PAID JOBS?

HOW MANY HSMP ARE IN THE WAGE BRACKET OF £18,000 AND ABOVE?

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO WERE GIVEN 3 YEAR EXTENSION AND THEREFORE WILL NEED ONLY ONE YEAR EXTENSION BEFORE SETTLEMENT WHEN OTHERS IN THEIR CATEGORY WERE LUCKY TO GET 4YEARS EXTENSION

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Post by ATBPLC » Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:57 pm

BY WAY OF INFORMATION AND FOR US TO KNOW THAT HURDLES ARE BEING CREATED TO FRUSTRATE HSMP PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING COPIED FROM THE PAPER PRESENTED TO PARLIAMENT BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HOME DEPARTMENT IN MARCH 2006

"With an expanded European Union there is an accessible and mobile workforce already contributing to our growing economy, closing many gaps experienced by employers. In a changing environment where our European commitments provide many opportunities for the UK to benefit from this new source of labour, it is right that we look again at migration to the UK as a whole. Our starting point is that employers should look first to recruit from the UK and the expanded EU before recruiting migrants from outside the EU.
7.
Migration needs to be properly managed. It is understandable that people migrate to seek a better life for themselves and their families. But this can leave settled populations, including many in the UK, concerned about the impact on jobs, public services and their way of life. The system should therefore be focused primarily on bringing in migrants who are highly skilled or to do key jobs that cannot be filled from the domestic labour force or from the EU. It should also help facilitate the entry of international students who rightly see the UK as a world leader in the provision of higher and further education, and in the teaching of English."


WE CAN DEDUCE THE REASON FOR ALL THESE CHANGES FROM THE ABOVE

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Post by ATBPLC » Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:57 pm

BY WAY OF INFORMATION AND FOR US TO KNOW THAT HURDLES ARE BEING CREATED TO FRUSTRATE HSMP PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING COPIED FROM THE PAPER PRESENTED TO PARLIAMENT BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HOME DEPARTMENT IN MARCH 2006

"With an expanded European Union there is an accessible and mobile workforce already contributing to our growing economy, closing many gaps experienced by employers. In a changing environment where our European commitments provide many opportunities for the UK to benefit from this new source of labour, it is right that we look again at migration to the UK as a whole. Our starting point is that employers should look first to recruit from the UK and the expanded EU before recruiting migrants from outside the EU.
7.
Migration needs to be properly managed. It is understandable that people migrate to seek a better life for themselves and their families. But this can leave settled populations, including many in the UK, concerned about the impact on jobs, public services and their way of life. The system should therefore be focused primarily on bringing in migrants who are highly skilled or to do key jobs that cannot be filled from the domestic labour force or from the EU. It should also help facilitate the entry of international students who rightly see the UK as a world leader in the provision of higher and further education, and in the teaching of English."


WE CAN DEDUCE THE REASON FOR ALL THESE CHANGES FROM THE ABOVE

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Post by ATBPLC » Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:58 pm

BY WAY OF INFORMATION AND FOR US TO KNOW THAT HURDLES ARE BEING CREATED TO FRUSTRATE HSMP PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING COPIED FROM THE PAPER PRESENTED TO PARLIAMENT BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HOME DEPARTMENT IN MARCH 2006

"With an expanded European Union there is an accessible and mobile workforce already contributing to our growing economy, closing many gaps experienced by employers. In a changing environment where our European commitments provide many opportunities for the UK to benefit from this new source of labour, it is right that we look again at migration to the UK as a whole. Our starting point is that employers should look first to recruit from the UK and the expanded EU before recruiting migrants from outside the EU.
7.
Migration needs to be properly managed. It is understandable that people migrate to seek a better life for themselves and their families. But this can leave settled populations, including many in the UK, concerned about the impact on jobs, public services and their way of life. The system should therefore be focused primarily on bringing in migrants who are highly skilled or to do key jobs that cannot be filled from the domestic labour force or from the EU. It should also help facilitate the entry of international students who rightly see the UK as a world leader in the provision of higher and further education, and in the teaching of English."


WE CAN DEDUCE THE REASON FOR ALL THESE CHANGES FROM THE ABOVE

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Post by sjgul » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:56 pm

Hi,

I agree with you 100% but as a request please don't post in CAPS. We are all expressing our frustration in the under metioned post.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=11153

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HSMP new points criterion - Specificially Indian earnings

Post by umeshsethi » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:11 am

Hi , this is a criteria for those whose applicable country code is India i.e those in India, or those on deputation ( provable) from India.

There are still points to be gone into detail but based on current information., we have posted the details on our website.

http://www.workandstudyoverseas.com/hsm ... ontext.htm

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I get the point, but...

Post by abisurd » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:55 pm

I was going through the morning newspaper when I saw this article about a change in the immigration policy of UK. Only yesterday had I sent out emails to a couple of HSMP consultants, asking for help and representation. I was seeing a couple of hindrances in getting the required documents for that score of 65. The major hurdle was getting my (current and ex) employers to write a letter in the way I wanted them to. Getting such a letter, dictated by me, from an organization like IBM was really difficult for me.

The new guidelines help me get the required 75 points with education (30) and salary (45) alone. This is good for me, though I see that it would be difficult for me to get a renewal unless I make GBP 35K. I see that to be a problem because getting that salary in the UK is rather difficult, especially if you work outside of the Greater City of London.

I was happy to learn the new rules, because they make it easy for me today. But this post made me realize what these new rules are 'actually' trying to do.

I hope the future is not really as bleak as some of us here have written.

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Post by first2last4 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:03 pm

abisurd,

I am on WP. I qualified under the old rule and still qualify under the new rule. I have already completed nearly 3+ years as WP holders. So I can easily get the HSMP and file for ILR in 2008 InshaAllah

But I dont want to see other fellow immigrant betrayed otherwise what is the difference between me and HO.
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Post by sjgul » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:19 pm

abisud,

Think thrice before coming here. Although in the end it would be your own decision but let me tell you some facts :-

1). Most of 7-8 years experience Engineers in IT Telecoms outside london getting only £ 32-£34K , most of people here earn more money by contracting only (if that is what u want) , but contract extension is never a surity and you will get on your arrival here is also not sure.
2). high paying IT jobs in London are only Financial jobs (http://www.cwjobs.co.uk) (that also £50K is what u can see in the ads which is USD 100K which is becoming very common in US , infact California and NewPort paying $100 + in non-Financial jobs).
3). Who gurantees the extension criteria will not be changed again.
4). Forget about ILR as it is a long story , you may expect some new ILR rule coming up.

Better stay at your place or if you have craze working overseas route to US / Singapore.

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Post by sjgul » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:21 pm

Rest is up to you , as you are the best judge.

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Post by munawar5555 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:53 pm

Very painfull news for us, I did too much research to make my case, and now I came to know this news, I have to again think what I have to submit in the light of new procedure.

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