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Smalldog, first you questioned the veracity of my statement, which you subsequently seemed to begrudgingly aknowledge only to then determine a family permit is practically the same as a visa - Not true...A EEA family permit WILL be issued (ie: will not be declined) at the British embassy in the EU country where the British citizen resides. A visa, which can be declined, despite an application being made by an immediate family member (wife/husband) HAS to be obtained from the country of spouse residence, AND at cost (detailed earlier in my post).smalldog wrote:I know that the family permit is not technically a visa, but there are also EU rules that define a carrot as a fruit. People generally understand a visa to be a sticker in one's passport, issued by a country's embassy, that allows the holder entry into that country: a family permit fits this description exactly.
An EU citizen does not obtain a residence card "on presentation of a passport" -- it is obtained by application and the applicant must prove that he is exercising treaty rights.
which is simply not true, unless things have got more draconian very recently.British Citizens who accompany their Non-EU spouses on visits to the UK are denied entry without valid visas.
Valid observation - I will respond.ppron747 wrote:My main quibble with your petition is that the wording on the website is not really adequate. It sayswhich is simply not true, unless things have got more draconian very recently.British Citizens who accompany their Non-EU spouses on visits to the UK are denied entry without valid visas.
British citizens don't need visas to visit the UK. I think you're trying to say that non-EU spouses of British citizens need visas to visit the UK. But that's not what the quoted sentence says. Even if you turn it round to what I think you're intending to say, it still isn't completely accurate, in that it doesn't take account of the fact that only visa nationals need visas to visit the UK. Many non-EU nationals don't need visas to visit, although they do need them to settle in UK.
In that I would not cross the border without my wife - de facto, I am denied entry if my wife does not have a visa.British Citizens who accompany their Non-EU spouses on visits to the UK are denied entry without valid visas.
Why? Relatively few genuine spouse cases meet refusal. And if your wife had ILR before there is also the option of applying as a returning resident. See http://www.ukvisas.gov.ukalexweir1949 wrote: Now I am advised by Ferguson Snell Immigration consultants that even getting her back into the country will be a major exercise.
Do they?Out of interest, uk armed forces have many such problems;
Denmark has put some strict restrictions on spouse migration, but not banned it. It is true that EEA regulations can be used to bypass the Danish laws, as is also the case in the Netherlands.and also the present Danish Government changed the law such that many danes in my position live in sweden and commute to work in copenhagen (without their spouses)
WHY SHOULD THIS MAN HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR ANYTHING???? He's a British Citizen, married many years and happens to live in a country other than his own and outside of the European Union.Why? Relatively few genuine spouse cases meet refusal. And if your wife had ILR before there is also the option of applying as a returning resident. See http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk?
Perhaps they don't have the same problem, the British Government has made one of many caveats, or perhaps better put, applied double-standards, that preclude certain groups of individuals from this discriminatory policy. If you're an advocate of the British Government's stance on retaining its opt out certain aspects of the Amsterdam Treaty, although, it claims, to continue working in the spirit of the legislation so long as it does not conflict with domestic immigration policy - consider this UK Government will make exceptions for many foriegn individuals - (read - Russian) ex-spies, ex-gangsters and ex-terrorists. Is it any wonder, millions in the UK, are disillusioned with the application of asylum policy? Support an ex-banker (Berezovsky) who stole literally billions of his countries wealth - Kick out Mahindra and her 2 month old daughter because she's not allowed to switch visa categories???Out of interest, uk armed forces have many such problems;
Do they?
He doesn't have to apply for anything, as a British citizen. But his wife does need to obtain permission to settle in the United Kingdom. And this is almost universally granted.Russia wrote:WHY SHOULD THIS MAN HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR ANYTHING???? He's a British Citizen, married many years and happens to live in a country other than his own and outside of the European Union.
Bear in mind that 25% of the Civil Service is barred to all but British citizens and certain other UK nationals.darksquid wrote: However, I have been the victim of of this discrimination in other ways. I applied for a civil service post - at one of this country's National Archives, not the MI5, mind you. I was informed that my application was being put in the bin because I am a non-EU spouse of a British National, and do not hold British citizenship. HOWEVER (and how my blood boils to recall this), had I been the non-EU spouse of an EU national, I would have been eligible for the post! An American married to a born and bred Briton with permanent residency is not eligible for civil service posts, while a Venezualan married to a German fresh off the plane is free to apply!
Russia wrote:....and you are prepared to be hugely inconvenienced by having to travel to your spouse's country of residence then stay there for as long as the application can take to process (which can be several months in some cases) - then maybe you are indeed docile and submissive enough to be led by the nose through some of the ill-contrived immigration laws of the United Kingdom....