Queries on Tier -1 General Extension Application form

[is123]

hi ,

Could anyone of you answer my below queries regarding Tier-1 General
Visa extension application forms. I am submitting it from UK.

Main Applicant Form : version - 04/2012

1) What is the Home office reference number & PBS Reference number mentioned in Page 11- B11 & B14?

2) Do I need to submit original Marriage certificate?

Dependent Applicant Form (wife) : version - 04/2012

1) Do I need to fill section N4 - Page 32?

2) Do I need submit original Marriage certificate and Master degree certificate? Also let me know if we need submit any other documents.

Dependent Applicant Form (Son - 2yrs old) : version - 04/2012

1) Do we need to submit any supporting document other than Passport for kid?.

General Question:

Do we need to post dependent application form along with main application in a single cover?

Thanks in advance. Awaiting for response.

Regards,
Is

[silent_warrior]

hi ,

Could anyone of you answer my below queries regarding Tier-1 General
Visa extension application forms. I am submitting it from UK.

Main Applicant Form : version - 04/2012

1) What is the Home office reference number & PBS Reference number mentioned in Page 11- B11 & B14?
Leave them blank. if you dont have it

2) Do I need to submit original Marriage certificate?
If this is a Tier 1 dependent extension, then you don't need to submit marriage certificate as you have already done it with the initial Tier 1 dependent application.

Dependent Applicant Form (wife) : version - 04/2012

1) Do I need to fill section N4 - Page 32?
No. Go straight to Section 'O'

2) Do I need submit original Marriage certificate and Master degree certificate? Also let me know if we need submit any other documents.
No for marriage certificate. Why are you submitting Master's certificate with your dependent application. ??

Dependent Applicant Form (Son - 2yrs old) : version - 04/2012

1) Do we need to submit any supporting document other than Passport for kid?.
Birth certificate.
It might be useful for you to read this post PBS Guidance

General Question:

Do we need to post dependent application form along with main application in a single cover?
Yes. In your case you will be sending 1 main applicant form + 1 dependent application form for wife + one dependent application form for kid= 3 forms in total

Note: The supporting documents for dependents would be a cover letter(optional)
and bank statement for maintenance funds
Some applicants have submitted proof of address for the wife if it does not appear on bank statement. Though its not necessary to do so. Bank statements in your name should suffice. Make sure you last transaction on bank statement is not less than a month old.
Thanks in advance. Awaiting for response.

Regards,
Is

[is123]

Thanks Silent Warrior.

Regarding point 1: Is the receipt number of my frist application is same as Home office reference number /PBS Number?.

[shargaur]

Regarding point 1: Is the receipt number of my frist application is same as Home office reference number /PBS Number?.

Reference number is the one starting with PBSXXXX/001 which you have received on acknowledgement letter of your first application.

BTW, are you married? If yes, don't you have to show that relationship is still sustaining.

[is123]

How to show that? What document do i need to submit that?

[is123]

Can anyone answer my query?.

I am applying my Tier -1 extension on June 15- 2012 through post.

1) I am considering 12 months for my earnings from 1 march 2011 to
Feb 2012. Is these are correct consecutive months in the last 15 months period prior to my application submitting date 15 June 2012?

2) Also I am submitting last 3 months bank statements for maintenance funds proof. i.e
1) 23- feb -23 march 2012
2) 23- March - 23 April 2012
3) 23 April - 23 May 2012

bank statement upto 23 May 2012?. Is this ok, as I am submitting on 15 June 2012?

[silent_warrior]

Can anyone answer my query?.

I am applying my Tier -1 extension on June 15- 2012 through post.

1) I am considering 12 months for my earnings from 1 march 2011 to
Feb 2012. Is these are correct consecutive months in the last 15 months period prior to my application submitting date 15 June 2012?
No, your 15 month period would end at the end of May 2012 if you are showing a salary from 1st of March 2011. Guidance says consecutive 12 months will be considered from immediate previous 15 months

2) Also I am submitting last 3 months bank statements for maintenance funds proof. i.e
1) 23- feb -23 march 2012
2) 23- March - 23 April 2012
3) 23 April - 23 May 2012

bank statement upto 23 May 2012?. Is this ok, as I am submitting on 15 June 2012?
This should be ok provided your last transaction is within a month's time for 15th June 2012

[silent_warrior]

How to show that? What document do i need to submit that?

If you are applying for Tier 1 dependent extension application, then many applicants have submitted an official document (utility bills, council tax, electoral, bank statements or NHS registration card)carrying the dependents name which has the same proof of address as that of the main applicant.

[is123]

Hi Silent,

1) I am considering 12 months for my earnings from 1 march 2011 to
Feb 2012. Is these are correct consecutive months in the last 15 months period prior to my application submitting date 15 June 2012?
No, your 15 month period would end at the end of May 2012 if you are showing a salary from 1st of March 2011. Guidance says consecutive 12 months will be considered from immediate previous 15 months

I think we can take any consecutive 12 months ( top to bottom ie.- mar2011 to feb 2012 or bottom to top ie. May 2012 to June 2011 or any consecutive 12 months between the immediate previous 15 months.Can any one confirm this?

[layman]

How to show that? What document do i need to submit that?

If you are applying for Tier 1 dependent extension application, then many applicants have submitted an official document (utility bills, council tax, electoral, bank statements or NHS registration card)carrying the dependents name which has the same proof of address as that of the main applicant.

Is this(sustenance evidence) really required for Tier 1 extension? I don't think so, the guidance does not say that it is required

[silent_warrior]

How to show that? What document do i need to submit that?

If you are applying for Tier 1 dependent extension application, then many applicants have submitted an official document (utility bills, council tax, electoral, bank statements or NHS registration card)carrying the dependents name which has the same proof of address as that of the main applicant.

Is this(sustenance evidence) really required for Tier 1 extension? I don't think so, the guidance does not say that it is required

No. It's not mentioned anywhere to provide any proof.

[silent_warrior]

Hi Silent,

1) I am considering 12 months for my earnings from 1 march 2011 to
Feb 2012. Is these are correct consecutive months in the last 15 months period prior to my application submitting date 15 June 2012?
No, your 15 month period would end at the end of May 2012 if you are showing a salary from 1st of March 2011. Guidance says consecutive 12 months will be considered from immediate previous 15 months

I think we can take any consecutive 12 months ( top to bottom ie.- mar2011 to feb 2012 or bottom to top ie. May 2012 to June 2011 or any consecutive 12 months between the immediate previous 15 months.Can any one confirm this?

This is what's mentioned in Guidance notes point 79
79. The applicant can claim points for previous earnings in any single, consecutive 12-month period during the 15 months immediately before the date of applying.

Now let me explain
You are applying on 15th June 2012. So, if you back date 15 months from 15th June 2012 then the start for that period will be 16th March 2011. (Try using the Date Calculator)
But you have mentioned above that you wish to show your earnings for the period between
01-March 2011 to end of Feb 2012
My point is, if at all you wish to fall in the 15- month period, then you cannot consider your Start Date for previous earnings from 01-March 2011 onwards.
To fall within the 15-month period your start date for previous earnings has to be from 16th-March 2011, as the case worker will calculate the 15 month period backwards from the date of your application (as mentioned in point 79 of Guidance note)
And yes, you can consider any consecutive period of 12 months to top -bottom or bottom-top.
But in your case you have mentioned that you are considering the earnings as the top (i.e 01-March 2011 till 29-Feb-2012) which falls outside the 15 month period
Hope this is clearer now.

[is123]

Thanks Silent for your patient in answering my question.

I am clear in your answer But in my case do I need to consider only 15 days salary in March 2011 and feb 2011? i.e 12 months is 16 march to 15 feb 2012? . Please clarify.

Otherwise can I put my apllication date as 1 June 2012 and submit on 15 June 2012?. Is that ok?

Thanks in Advance

[silent_warrior]

Thanks Silent for your patient in answering my question.

I am clear in your answer But in my case do I need to consider only 15 days salary in March 2011 and feb 2011? i.e 12 months is 16 march to 15 feb 2012 (No, it should be 16 March 2011 to 15 March 2012, as your Start date has gone forward by 15 days from 01-March 2011, so will your end date move forward by 15 days )? . Please clarify.

Otherwise can I put my apllication date as 1 June 2012 (I am not sure I understand what you mean by put your application date as 01 June 2012. Can you elaborate?) and submit on 15 June 2012?. Is that ok?

Thanks in Advance

Your application date is the same as the date you submit your application to UKBA either by post or a PEO appointment. So if you wish to apply on 15 June 2012, then you would need to consider earnings from 16th March 2011 to 15 March 2012, which constituets your 12 month consecutive period.
So for J4. of the form you will need to put the Start Date as 16-03-2011 and End Date as 15-03-2012
Not sure if I have answered you query yet, but do let me know if I haven't

[is123]

Hi Silent,

If i mention Start Date as 16-03-2011 and End Date as 15-03-2012 in J4 of the form, then in this case can I submit 12 months payslips from
march 2011 to feb 2012? . Please clarify

[silent_warrior]

Hi Silent,

If i mention Start Date as 16-03-2011 and End Date as 15-03-2012 in J4 of the form, then in this case can I submit 12 months payslips from
march 2011 to feb 2012? . Please clarify

No. But you can submit payslips from March 2011 to March 2012.

Btw, is there a reason why you want to submit only till Feb 2012?

[geriatrix]

Looks like we are still going in circles here, in context of clause 80 of the policy guidance!

1. Take March 2011 payslip. Calculate your salary for the period 16-Mar-2011 to 31-Mar-2011 (from the total salary of 31 days in that month). That's the salary that you can claim points for for the month of March 2011.
2. Include salary from April 2011 to Feb 2012 (both inclusive, and whole months).
3. Take March 2012 payslip. Calculate your salary for the period 01-Mar-2012 to 15-Mar-2012 (from the total salary of 31 days in that month). That's the salary that you can claim points for for the month for March 2012.

That's your income in the 12 month period commencing 16-Mar-11 and ending 15-Mar-12. Do take into consideration that you'll have to explain all this in a covering letter - for the CW to understand!


Out of curiosity, why can't you use a period starting from 1st day of a given month and ending on the 30th/31st day of the consecutive 12th month? e.g. - 01-Apr-11 to 31-Mar-12 or 01-May-11 to 30-Apr-12 or 01-Jun-11 to 31-May-12? Makes life much more easier - both for you and the CW!! Has something changed with regards to your employment / income since 15-Mar-12?

[is123]

Thanks for all your response.

I will submit salary slips from March 2011 to Mar2012.
and will mention starting date in J4 of the application form as

1 March 2011 to 31 March 2012.. Is this ok?

[is123]

Regarding Dependent application form ..What date should i mention in the
page No 29 of L4?.

[adityak77]

Thanks for all your response.

I will submit salary slips from March 2011 to Mar2012.
and will mention starting date in J4 of the application form as

1 March 2011 to 31 March 2012.. Is this ok?

This is wrong . You are going out of 12 months,

As sushdmehta explained

Show 1st April 2011 to 31st march 2012

Or break march 2011 and march 2012, to show calender months 16th March 2011 to 15th march 2012 which is allowed as per guidance notes.

[adityak77]

Looks like we are still going in circles here, in context of clause 80 of the policy guidance!

1. Take March 2011 payslip. Calculate your salary for the period 16-Mar-2011 to 31-Mar-2011 (from the total salary of 31 days in that month). That's the salary that you can claim points for for the month of March 2011.
2. Include salary from April 2011 to Feb 2012 (both inclusive, and whole months).
3. Take March 2012 payslip. Calculate your salary for the period 01-Mar-2012 to 15-Mar-2012 (from the total salary of 31 days in that month). That's the salary that you can claim points for for the month for March 2012.

That's your income in the 12 month period commencing 16-Mar-11 and ending 15-Mar-12. Do take into consideration that you'll have to explain all this in a covering letter - for the CW to understand!


Out of curiosity, why can't you use a period starting from 1st day of a given month and ending on the 30th/31st day of the consecutive 12th month? e.g. - 01-Apr-11 to 31-Mar-12 or 01-May-11 to 30-Apr-12 or 01-Jun-11 to 31-May-12? Makes life much more easier - both for you and the CW!! Has something changed with regards to your employment / income since 15-Mar-12?

Sushdmehta,

If the two payslips March 2011 and March 2012 are broken, isnt the NET pay for both the months going to differ and the amount would not match in the bank statements. How is the OP going to corroborate the evidence for March 2011 and March 2012?

Thanks,

[geriatrix]

The "total" net salary payment will match. What the OP will need to explain to the CW is that out of this "total net for the given months" he is claiming only a "proportion of the monthly salary" for the months in question.

The concept of corroboration is to ensure that the applicant is actually being paid what he /she claims to be paid. When the "total" amount is corroborated, it is but natural that a "proportion from within it" has also been actually paid.

e.g. - You prove that you were paid 100 quids. Do you need to corroborate (again) that 10 quids (a proportion) from this 100 quids (total) were actually paid ... and that you are not lying.

[adityak77]

The "total" net salary payment will match. What the OP will need to explain to the CW is that out of this "total net for the given months" he is claiming only a "proportion of the monthly salary" for the months in question.

The concept of corroboration is to ensure that the applicant is actually being paid what he /she claims to be paid. When the "total" amount is corroborated, it is but natural that a "proportion from within it" has also been actually paid.

e.g. - You prove that you were paid 100 quids. Do you need to corroborate (again) that 10 quids (a proportion) from this 100 quids (total) were actually paid ... and that you are not lying.

Agreed, But thats NET. What about Gross taxable monthly income . Only the gross income is considered.

[geriatrix]

Q - What does salary slip / employer letter / P60 (evidence 1) and bank statement (evidence 2) corroborate?
A- The "net" salary payment.

Q - What is Tier 1 (General) assessment based on?
A - The "gross" salary - that a bank statement (evidence 2) does not / will not / cannot corroborate.

[adityak77]

Q - What does salary slip / employer letter / P60 (evidence 1) and bank statement (evidence 2) corroborate?
A- The "net" salary payment.

Q - What is Tier 1 (General) assessment based on?
A - The "gross" salary - that a bank statement (evidence 2) does not / will not / cannot corroborate.

True for both.

Whats the ans for this scenario below:


Say someone gets paid 4 weekly and suddenly payroll has changed from 4 weekly to monthly or changes in employment.

e.g

29th May 2011 to 31st May 2012 can be shown as 1st June 2011 to 31st May 2012 subtracting the 3 days of May 2011. Say the net pay was 2400 and Bank statement also mentions 2400, how is the CW to understand 2400 - 3 days of May 2011 as the pay for June and pay period (tax period 3) for this case.

This looks simple to me , but some cases were ignored when applicants claimed calendar dates e.g 12 April 2011 to 11 April 2012 considering 12 cal months, simply CW ignored last months salary .