IS HSMP scheme and PR ending?

[Bhumi]

hi,

Has anyone heard about HSMP to be removed as an immigration catogory in few months. One of my friend heard this from her lawyer. I am not sure whether its true though. This is really scary? What about those who will need extension later.

Also heard that in the newletter received from Homeoffice, it seems homeoffice is planing to stop giving PR from 2008/9.

Whats wrong with UK immigration guys?

[HSMP5thDec]

I would rather wait for the official documents before I actually believe any rumors or 'news'.

hi,

Has anyone heard about HSMP to be removed as an immigration catogory in few months. One of my friend heard this from her lawyer. I am not sure whether its true though. This is really scary? What about those who will need extension later.

Also heard that in the newletter received from Homeoffice, it seems homeoffice is planing to stop giving PR from 2008/9.

Whats wrong with UK immigration guys?

[manindergill]

Well,

This should not be a surprise after recent decisions of HO on FLR extensions. But Still this is a rumuor and can't be trusted till something official is announced.

The World is still open to Highly Skilled Applicants (Doctors, Engineers, MBAs, Scientists, Teachers, Researchers). Countries which want to advance and move forward can't close themselves to the best brains of this world. If that is going to happen in UK, it is going to be a negative for Britain economy and not to Highly Skilled Applicatns.
Well , people coming here for low and middle-level jobs on HSMP are definately going to get hurt as there has been a lot of abuse as well of this programme.

Any future applicants, should however exercise extra caution before coming here. Family people should never come and bachelors should come only if they have a job offer and try to get a work permit instead of HSMP. If company needs your high skills , they can file a WP.

[Bhumi]

well. i agree with your point of view.
But an official response from homeoffice is a very very short notice, WHERE I wouldnt know what to do.

[alientrader]

The change in HSMP rules is just the first step. Slowly, it is the intention of this labour government to fully implement national socialist aka NAZI laws in order to close out all immigrants.

the winds of change are here my friend. Make alternative plans

[manindergill]

So , The best thing is keep your backup plans and bags ready for movement. You never know when HO is going to say "All HSMP leave within 2 months " , Just joking

I have mine ready now after recent decisions by HO , Filed for Australian PR and contacted consultant for next year US H1B. Job in India is never a problem as after 8 years of Telecom S/W experience I can land up with a good job anywhere in India.

Dropped all plans to buy a house here till I get a ILR, May also leave permanent job to do contracting and earn as much as I can before being told to leave from here

so, Bhumi prepare your back up plans for the worst as expecting good from HO may be disastrous.

Some guys contacted me saying HSMP scheme to be good now as they don't need to collect experience certificates but I suggested them not to fall in this trap as it is not stable here now.First Doctors and now HSMP , Be Prepared for their next move now ...

[HadiHasan]

Hi guyz
i agree with u dudu manindergill , i m also have backup plans with me, like the goood option australia PR, i aligned my papers for this too as well. Moreover i m in Middle East so things are not that much worst for me as well. Moreover if Uk stop HSMP their econmy will suffer more as they r already short of skilled work force. So guyz this not so easy, they can make the rulz more tough but they do neeed the skilled workers all the time
So dont worr much , professional will always have their options
so Cheers
Hasan

[alientrader]

When hitler implemented his final solution on the Jews. He did it first by curtailing their rights little by little in tiny innocuous ways and later stripping them of their settlement/citizenship status and finally eliminating them.
While i am not suggesting the british government will put us in gas chambers. the stoppage of all non-eu immigration is incredibly high, and the chances that non-eu will be granted settlement status of any kind will be dwindled and eventually elminated altogether.

EU enlargement has/will cause a population influx so heavy that the labour government has no ability to stem. The face of Britain is changing, and the labour government in order to be "answerable" to the british population will have to target legal immigrants. The rationale is since they have all these workers to draw from from the EU, they have no need for skilled labour from the rest of the world. It will not be surprising at all to stop PR/settlement status for all non-EU. With the population influx, regardless of political affiliation, all parties BNP, labour, conservative will move to the far right. Resistance will be futile.

The government has given notice of this with the retrospective changes in HSMp rules, we MUSt make alternative plans.

Fortunately there are still places around the world where liberty and freedom are still upheld.

[manindergill]

Bhumi,

I believe you must have got your answer with alientrader's suggestions as well.

This is just a start , Be Prepared Now , Create some backup plans , This is a notice from HO , don't wait for a 15 day or 1 month notice. This is a NOTICE for existing HSMP's as well.

I think in future , more topics on this forum will be "Alternate Plans For HSMP"

[alientrader]

maninder,

I have done the same things...preparing to go back to the states again...and also leaving my job to do more independent work, so that i can accumulate money as fast as possible...

i had a H1b for 2 years, but was lured by the promise of settlement after 4...well now 5 years from the UK government. funny thing is when i entered Uk under the HSMP, this indian immigration officer saw my h1b visa as well and gave me an incredulous look and asked why would i come to the Uk if u had a job in the US....damn guess she was right.

the US has its faults, but its a lower cost of living certainly, great colleges for the children, nice scenery arnd the country....overall still a great place to live in

I find it hard to believe they won't do something to ILR. Its just our money they want. They will probably introduce something like an income requirement again...say show that you have made 300k pounds in the last 5 years in this country before ILR is approved.....if they can do these changes in HSMP now, they can definitely do that change for ILR, knowing that very few will ever qualify. so you end up paying 5 years in taxes, and leaving the country wth nothing

[badhorse]

Where is the source of this rumour?

[rg1]

You don't need to leave empty handed.

Take a loan and run away tit for tat!

Joking apart, PR scheme will not end but they will make it harder so that only a few could qualify.

[rella]

The plan, as I understand it, is to eliminate HSMP and the current work permit programme and to change completely over to Tier1/2. The new changes in the HSMP scheme are bringing it inline with the new Tier 1 scheme.

Whether or not the existing HSMP holders can transition into Tier1/2 is of no interest to the HO. They just want to get it moved over and if it ruins the lives of thousands of families... too bad for us.

[Rog]

Rumours do not have any reliable source. But looking to the Home Office behaviour, anything is possible and we can expect any sudden press release from the Home Office.

While the government is indulging in knee jerk reactions to satisfy their right wing constituencies, one fails to understand that how deporting some thousands of skilled workers will make any tangible difference to their economy. Most skilled workers, even those who came in on the basis of fake documents and doing low skilled jobs are supporting themselves and paying taxes and are unlikely to be a burden on the government.

There is also one more angle, I had a conversation with a right winged Briton and asked him why they were against a small section of skilled migrants contributing to their economy against the millions coming in from Europe who are eligible to claim benefits. To which he said that the Europeans will "blend" with them after one generation whereas Asian and African people will always be "separate". In other words they don't mind white immigration but not any other colour. I realise that his thoughts are his own views and not of the British population in general but this is just one line of thinking.

[Bhumi]

Well, having back up plans in other country..i dont think, I could be bothered to go to any other country. Afterall we remain immigrants in any county-u never know when any country could change their rules.

If so anything happens i am straight heading off to india. The market is anyway getting better there now...plus its not a feasible option to keep switching countries.

[Bhumi]

Where is the source of this rumour?

Well...as i said before , it could be true / or maynot be true but the fact is...when they were going to change the HSMP rule my frnds lawyer knew it in June as lawyer receive updates from homeoffice or some internal source. So he anticipated it and even showed us the letter and points breakdown in July. But we clearly were not believing in it because after reseaching on the internet and homeoffice website thougoughly we could not find any proof.
But then suddenly outof no where on 7th Nov we get the news.

So ...i guess , its always a good option to be prepared for the worse.

[Spear]

The rumour mill is making me really paranoid. Its not good to live like this. You don't know if a couple months from now you will have to pack your bags and leave in 28 days. After making a committment to the UK Government.
The bad thing is that even with all the uncertainty surrounding HSMP many persons from really really poor countries (Band E) will still come to the UK. Its like dangling cheese right above a rat trap. You just hope and hope that you get the cheese and not fall into the trap. Five years is a long time so while working towards the ILR anything can be changed even one month before. Thats why retroactive changes are unfair. People need to know up front what conditions apply to them. I'm sure if many HSMP'ers knew of the income requirements from the start they would have made it (by contracting, taking second jobs, self employment etc). Many are not meeting the requirements because they were not given sufficient notice. I personally know of some in the past who turned down higher paying jobs because they wanted to live in a particular region in the Uk - not because they were not highly skilled.
So those highly paid HSMP 'ers who think that its ok to change the rules retrocacively should watch out. It could be your turn next. Support the ones who did not make it this time because your time is coming.

[manindergill]

Well, having back up plans in other country..i dont think, I could be bothered to go to any other country. Afterall we remain immigrants in any county-u never know when any country could change their rules.

If so anything happens i am straight heading off to india. The market is anyway getting better there now...plus its not a feasible option to keep switching countries.

Very right Bhumi, Thats the best option for all Indians , No immigration required and 2nd largest IT hub of this world (as per me, I think many will agree).

Some new applicants happy to get results back in 4-5 days , this is definately be due to low volume of applications as highly skilled people are smart to take a negative decision of moving or even applying and not moving.

[first2last4]

I am unable to imagine that PR could be discontinued......

[nnj10]

I guess, the UK government can't just stop giving out the PR or stop the HSMP as a route to enter and obtain PR; for a simple reason, cause their other East European couner parts are not as smart as people from the other part of the world. At least for the field in which I work, I can assure myself; that they cant stop people from the asia, to come and work in the UK. Cause neither UK itself nor the expanded EU can produce the skilled workers that are required for the UK economy to grow....

But at the same time, be prepared for anything worst....as we have already experienced the what happened after 9/11......something like this can definately change...the views of the people and result in some action against the skilled migrants....too....

"Keep on doing your work, Leave the result on the almighty."

[Corn]

If retrospective change is not reverted by the HO, then it would be a big folly for HSMPs to use the excuse that the UK economy needs highly skilled force to put themselves in a vulnerable position for the next 3-5 yrs till they get PR.

The HO has already communicated that the next batch of changes are scheduled for 2008-09. I am guessing that is also the time when the initial lot of HSMPs will be looking for ILR.

This should be a big warning for all HSMPs.... affected currently or not.

[manindergill]

I am confident now that this programme was not meant for giving PR status to anybody, This was to bring highly skilled people from across the world with attraction of PR in 4 years and initial decision being taken in 15 days to 2 months whereas other country immigration takes a minimum of one year.
As per rules , how can this be made to 5 from 4 years ? This indicates that PR was not the intention and is never an intention.

Now once , the initial lot has already paid taxes for 3-4 years, paid NI for contribution to public funds so that Old , Uneducated and unemployed people over here can get public funding, they will definately be forced to move out as after getting PR and then later on naturalization , it will be their turn and their childrens to claim these benefits. But this was not the intention, the intention was to bring slaves to earn public funds at their expense.
Again, FLR on point basis is an indication of advanced slavery , bring people for 3-4-5 years , earn tax and NI and then force them to go out with diplomatic words "You must understand that this is in the best intrests of Nation"

Now also , decisions made in a very short duration only to attract new applicants to come immediately as people already here have understood the dirty game, Boy , the slavery game is again back .

[alientrader]

They might not do away PR for HSMP's totally for apperance's sake, but they can make it so hard to qualify that its as good as scrapped.

I agree that this is a form of modern slavery, bring in mostly people from third world and developing countries, make them pay their taxes to support the social system, crush their dreams and aspirations and send them packing home.

Thats why its called the HSMP,
Hidden Slavery(Modern) Programme

[simar]

The general population's mind/mood is changing to far right. Possible reasons due to iraq war, terror attacks etc. Just see how women’s' veil were forcefully removed in public places & skih boys hair cut in Scotland. We hsmp chaps should not be in illusion that since his country will always required high skill, so they will allow us to live. Social change that country is going through due to east European coming in millions is effecting locals. And I am sure that first people to hit by any social unrest will not be white east Europeans but we people from developing world race.

This country is too small in size in terms of area. Allowing more & more immigrants may not be liked anymore even if our presence gives this country more economic benefit.
As people are rightly suggesting. If possible, leave the permanents jobs and move to contracting jobs. Save as much as possible get out of here. Good for locals and good for us. No need to start buying houses till ILR status is not given.

Canada, Australia are good choices as these countries have lot of land and are any way called land of immigrants. US is another good choice. Look what happen to senate seat of virgina . The moment sitting senator put facial remarks to Indian chap. He lose the election despite initially having lead of 20 points. While here now it is fashion for top polititons to say either integrate(change your identity) or do not come. Remove veil if want to speak about problem. They become more popular overnights by saying such remarks. I am sure, the more hsmp people cry about the change in scheme. The sitting Home sectary’s rating will rise among general public..

My advice to new applicants . Yes come here to make quick bucks of feel possible you can do so, But never think of long term,

[paramjit2k]

Hi All my friends...

We have spent many hard days just to reach UK...Just for one reason..BETTER LIFE...

Rather then making speculations, that what might happen...Why dont people get together and present your case against proper legal authority...

One thing worth noting is, when one enters UK, the point system or eligiblity for him/her should be the same as when he/she entered...Not like this time...

I think all should Unite first...Make one voice,....then there ears will open...

This way...one can only do speculations...