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and while teachers/ lecturers aren't explicitly included they are "persons of professional standing", and the Identity & Passport Service accept them as countersignatories for passport applications, so I can't see that the Home Office would refuse them, given that the new requirement is really only aping what the Passport Office have been doing since the 19th century...One referee should be a person of professional standing, such as a doctor, a minister of religion, civil servant or a member of a professional body eg accountant or solicitor (but not representing you with this application). The other should be the holder of a current British citizen passport. Each should be:"
- aged 25 years or over
- not related to you
- not related to the other referee
- not your solicitor or agent representing you with this application
- not employed by the Home Office
I guess from the form, it asks for the referee's UK passport number which, they can deduce the person's profession from their application for Ppt earlier (The catch would be if the passport had been held at the time the person was not a professional) OR a quality control call would ascertain this. HO has the resources to find out such information so do not bother yourself. It might be an omission/an error or deliberate act to catch offendersAlexCh wrote:How the HO will know which one of the two referees is a "person of professional standing"? On the new form they do not ask any questions regarding their qualifications or employment.
That, my friend, is absolute rubbish. It is well known that the Home Office is incredibly bad at finding out things. For example, if it was so easy for the Home Office to look at people's tax records whenever it wanted to, how do so many people on working holiday visas get away with working the full 2 years instead of the 1 year that they are allowed to? How do students who are only supposed to work 20 hours per week get away with working as full-time employees?HO has the resources to find out such information so do not bother yourself.
Dawie, I am afraid what I posted is not rubbish!Dawie wrote:That, my friend, is absolute rubbish. It is well known that the Home Office is incredibly bad at finding out things. For example, if it was so easy for the Home Office to look at people's tax records whenever it wanted to, how do so many people on working holiday visas get away with working the full 2 years instead of the 1 year that they are allowed to? How do students who are only supposed to work 20 hours per week get away with working as full-time employees?HO has the resources to find out such information so do not bother yourself.
In theory all it would take is to compare every immigrants visa status with their tax records to see what their employment activity is like and bust them all. In reality the Home Office doesn't have a clue because, despite what you may think, the one thing you can count on in the Home Office is absolute incompetence.
Yes - and it probably will take them a year or two to find out this information....jes2jes wrote:HO has the resources to find out such information so do not bother yourself.
Thanks, I called them today. I was told that yes, a lecturer qualifies, and so does a university researcher or a teacher, or "anyone working in a professional organisation"... Whatever that means.ppron747 wrote:0845 010 5200 - open 9am-9pm.
FYI, I spoke to them earlier (not on your particular question) and - (you could have knocked me down with a feather) - they weren't yet fully briefed on the new forms but thought that my speculation that they might use the tried & tested IPS list, rather than spend months compiling their own sounded "reasonable". But you might get a different adviser in the morning...