Business vs Profession vs Qualification

[RizKCB]

Me and my friend are planning to apply for enterpreneur visa using 50000 option held in UK. We are on PSW and funds would be given by third party into our personal joint account.
Confusion is about the type of business, our qualification and proposed occupation from SOC. One of us is IT guy and one is Finacial and Economic degree holder.
Are there any businesses' levels like 3, 4, or 6?
Should our business's main type match with our qualification? OR Could we adjust ourselves in major occupations in the business?

I have heard that with 50000 option we can only do the business based on our qualification. We cannot open a Security company, if we do then we will have to show 200000 pounds.

Any advice

[Lucapooka]

Your actual degree (the qualification you hold) does not have to be relevant to the business you intend to operate. It's only necessary that your main business activity must be skilled to a graduate level. However, a security company is not a business activity skilled to a graduate level.

[RizKCB]

Your actual degree (the qualification you hold) does not have to be relevant to the business you intend to operate. It's only necessary that your main business activity must be skilled to a graduate level. However, a security company is not a business activity skilled to a graduate level.

Thanks a lot for your reply. Here the confusion is:
How did you find that Security Company is not a graduate level business? Is there any list about it? If so then can you give me it's link please?

Secondly if the Security Company business itself is not at graduate level but the occupation or job title of a person in this business is Security Manager or Business Development Manager then how it would be taken because these titles at level 4 and above?

[Lucapooka]

Read the guidance for information on types of business at NQF level 4. Quite simply, the nature of the business in the key rather than the work you do to administrate or promote it. I'll give you a simple example. You can't run a mini-cab firm and call yourself business marketing director for that entity, because providing a cab service is not a graduate level profession.

[rabeel]

Read the guidance for information on types of business at NQF level 4. Quite simply, the nature of the business in the key rather than the work you do to administrate or promote it. I'll give you a simple example. You can't run a mini-cab firm and call yourself business marketing director for that entity, because providing a cab service is not a graduate level profession.

@Lucapooka, I do appreciate your all of your responses to the people of this thread but I believe your information is wrong on this matter. It is not the business which needs to be at graduate level. It is your main business activity within the business which needs to be at graduate level. Your is the keyword in this sentence. For more information you may seek reference to the pialroy post on this page http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... &start=100.

However I would still like you to check with someone who is expert to seek clarification on this as I was also told the same thing by a renowned solicitor and I had to jump in this post to clarify this for the benefit of other users. Hope you will not mind and get it cleared by someone. Many Thanks

[saeedusman]

Read the guidance for information on types of business at NQF level 4. Quite simply, the nature of the business in the key rather than the work you do to administrate or promote it. I'll give you a simple example. You can't run a mini-cab firm and call yourself business marketing director for that entity, because providing a cab service is not a graduate level profession.

@Lucapooka, I do appreciate your all of your responses to the people of this thread but I believe your information is wrong on this matter. It is not the business which needs to be at graduate level. It is your main business activity within the business which needs to be at graduate level. Your is the keyword in this sentence. For more information you may seek reference to the pialroy post on this page http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... &start=100.

However I would still like you to check with someone who is expert to seek clarification on this as I was also told the same thing by a renowned solicitor and I had to jump in this post to clarify this for the benefit of other users. Hope you will not mind and get it cleared by someone. Many Thanks

Kindly all of you read my comments as well just next to the topic which "rabeel" posted the link.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... &start=100.

This subject is real healthy discussion and you all can see many threads generated with the same topics/confusions.

According my perception, "Lucapooka" is right in his saying, but we BOTH can be wrong as well.

If I show myself as Network Administrator/Engineer but the main business is mobile phone selling shop, I think it will not qualify. But if I show myself as Network Administrator/Engineer and the main business is providing Network Solutions and Infrastructure to other businesses or individuals, that might be OK.

So not only job title, but nature of business matters as well.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[saeedusman]

And Network Administrator/Engineer is level 4 job title as mentioned in the list.

[Lucapooka]

I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'm not wrong. We are referring to small start-up companies rather than large corporations. I'm sure the very large entity known as Radio Taxis in London has marketing directors working at graduate level. What I'm also sure about is that a guy who has started a mini-cab firm based can't simply describe himself as a marketing director or vice president of mergers and acquisitions when clearly his current tasks do not refer to that. A reference in your thread mentions that the job title has to be realistic.

Ultimately, we can go back and forth discussing the minutiae of the guidance text, but it's up to the caseworker to apply that guidance and until someone applies and gets approved or refused, we may never know the truth. But until then all we can do is apply common sense.

[RizKCB]

Thanks for all of you to discuss the problem; exactly the same points are confusion for me. It is also noticed that even solicitors/consultants have different point of views in this matter. I don't mention anybody wrong here but I recently studied comprehensively about policy and the actual website of SOC (I think ons.gov something like that). It was totally headache for me but it seems to be true that first of all we should consider the day-to-day actual purpose of the business and then find out its related occupation in SOC; it would help us to find out the level of our actual business activity, if it's 4 or above then ok but if below then don't go for it. Next we may assign ourselves suitable job titles of level 4 or above according to our description of work. Qualification also matter but in most professions it doesn't matter (required qualifications are mentioned in SOC vol 2 on ons.gov web).
For example, if you plan to open an insurance broker business and want to mention yourself as business development manager because you are MBA then first check the routine activity of your business. Obviously it is Broker, now check the level of broker's activity. If these are level 4 or above then ok and mention yourself business development manager. But make sure there should be justifiable solid arguments to associate business development manager in the business of insurance broker. Everything should have sensible relations. In most cases qualification doesn't matter but in some cases it does.

[smehmood]

Hi Guys. i think we have enough conversation about this job title and business. Let me clear one thing that whatever i say has 0 value. Actual thing is check against the list.

1. Security company is NQF level 4 Business, and security Manager and above is Equal to Level 4. SOC code 1174 business code 117.

Now we need proof. so here is the proof.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

pls check link above. pls correct me if i am wrong

[RizKCB]

Hi Guys. i think we have enough conversation about this job title and business. Let me clear one thing that whatever i say has 0 value. Actual thing is check against the list.

1. Security company is NQF level 4 Business, and security Manager and above is Equal to Level 4. SOC code 1174 business code 117.

Now we need proof. so here is the proof.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

pls check link above. pls correct me if i am wrong

You are absolutely correct...

Now to the point:
Me and My friend are entrepreneur team member of 50000 access due to PSW. I have done MSC in Computing and my friend is MSC in Financial Economics. We are planning to run a Surveyor business. According to the description of business, it falls in SOC 3531 which is at Level 4. But I would act at Data Processing Manager in the Business (Level 6) and My friend would act as Marketing and Sales Director (Level 6). We will hire Surveyors on commission or on payroll to perform the Survey. Is it OK?

Secondly, I have met a solicitor who told me that after getting visa, we must have to invest 50000 in first 3 months otherwise it would create problem in the extension. He also told that the selection of business depends on the valuable investments in it. It doesnt matter how much you earn, it all depends how much you invest in a defined time period.

[smehmood]

Hi Guys. i think we have enough conversation about this job title and business. Let me clear one thing that whatever i say has 0 value. Actual thing is check against the list.

1. Security company is NQF level 4 Business, and security Manager and above is Equal to Level 4. SOC code 1174 business code 117.

Now we need proof. so here is the proof.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary

pls check link above. pls correct me if i am wrong

You are absolutely correct...

Now to the point:
Me and My friend are entrepreneur team member of 50000 access due to PSW. I have done MSC in Computing and my friend is MSC in Financial Economics. We are planning to run a Surveyor business. According to the description of business, it falls in SOC 3531 which is at Level 4. But I would act at Data Processing Manager in the Business (Level 6) and My friend would act as Marketing and Sales Director (Level 6). We will hire Surveyors on commission or on payroll to perform the Survey. Is it OK?

Secondly, I have met a solicitor who told me that after getting visa, we must have to invest 50000 in first 3 months otherwise it would create problem in the extension. He also told that the selection of business depends on the valuable investments in it. It doesnt matter how much you earn, it all depends how much you invest in a defined time period.

1. As long as it appears on list provided, its fine.

2. i have,nt read this term anywhere in guideline. If Anyone tells you anything ask him to provide you proof. Law is based on guideline provided not on what someone thinks.

[anishinuk]

HI every1 I am on psw now and planing to apply for Entrepreneur visa . I am planing to open Mobility business (electric scooters wheelchair and some other medical equipment etc) . I will be selling and repairing these equipments .will this business will qualify for Entrepreneur visa .what designation should I appoint myself . thanks for your help .