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No Mate the rules are same for EEA4 as for EEA2 until you obtain red passportimmaculatestuff wrote:Would Permanent residence obtained after 5 years not entitle him to even travel on his own?
well he can certainly trevel on his own, but may require visa for some member state.immaculatestuff wrote:Would Permanent residence obtained after 5 years not entitle him to even travel on his own?
If your residence card states "family member of EEA national" no visa required. Although PR Confirmation doesn't state so it should still allow visa free travel. It is advisable to carry your marriage certificate with you.pinkpanter wrote:spanish visa requirement clearly state that your residence permit must state that your are a family member of an EEA. I just don't want to pay VISA fee.
I suggest you also make sure you provide the evidence according to CONDITIONS OF APPLICATION - DOCUMENTS REQUIRED ON THE APPOINTMENT DATE.SCHENGEN VISA APPLICATION FEES wrote:There will be no charge for the spouse and/or dependants of an EU citizen. However, proof of the relationship must be submitted at the time of application. This proof must be an original EU full national passport or national ID card and an original marriage certificate or civil partnership, (birth certificate in the case of children or dependants). Photocopies are not acceptable. Non EU Certificates should be legalised according to the 1961 Hague Convention.
Thanks Jambo! you always very helpful!Jambo wrote:If your residence card states "family member of EEA national" no visa required. Although PR Confirmation doesn't state so it should still allow visa free travel. It is advisable to carry your marriage certificate with you.pinkpanter wrote:spanish visa requirement clearly state that your residence permit must state that your are a family member of an EEA. I just don't want to pay VISA fee.
If you still wish to apply for a visa, the visa is free and this is clearly stated on the Spanish consulate website:
I suggest you also make sure you provide the evidence according to CONDITIONS OF APPLICATION - DOCUMENTS REQUIRED ON THE APPOINTMENT DATE.SCHENGEN VISA APPLICATION FEES wrote:There will be no charge for the spouse and/or dependants of an EU citizen. However, proof of the relationship must be submitted at the time of application. This proof must be an original EU full national passport or national ID card and an original marriage certificate or civil partnership, (birth certificate in the case of children or dependants). Photocopies are not acceptable. Non EU Certificates should be legalised according to the 1961 Hague Convention.
I just came from Spanish embasy. After giving my documents, she asked me that I don't need to pay visa fee as an EEA family member however, do need to pay there admin fee of £17 if you apply at 'vfs office' plus £1.20 for text msg when your passport is ready to collect. I told her that it shoud be fully free of charge as I never paid any fee in the past and also I am travelling with my EEA wife. But, she refused to accept my application without £17 fee and advice me that it is written on their website. After the argument I paid it.pinkpanter wrote:Hi Guys,
I understand that if you are a family member of EEA and travelling with her/him then you dont need to apply visa for Spain or other member state. But, I dont want to take any risk or waste my time with immigration officer OR airline so, I booked my appointment for spanish visa on 25th Sept'12 next week. I am just wondering whether, I need to pay visa fees (as I am travelling with my EEA wife). Second problem is I have PR status and its not written that I am a family member of an EEA and spanish visa requirement clearly state that your residence permit must state that your are a family member of an EEA. I just don't want to pay VISA fee.
Thanks Sum1!sum1 wrote:See related link. What documents did they ask for?
pinkpanter wrote:Hi Guys,
I understand that if you are a family member of EEA and travelling with her/him then you dont need to apply visa for Spain or other member state. But, I dont want to take any risk or waste my time with immigration officer OR airline so, I booked my appointment for spanish visa on 25th Sept'12 next week. I am just wondering whether, I need to pay visa fees (as I am travelling with my EEA wife). Second problem is I have PR status and its not written that I am a family member of an EEA and spanish visa requirement clearly state that your residence permit must state that your are a family member of an EEA. I just don't want to pay VISA fee.
Article 5
2. Family members who are not nationals of a Member State shall only be required to have an
entry visa in accordance with Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 or, where appropriate, with national
law. For the purposes of this Directive, possession of the valid residence card referred to in
Article 10 shall exempt such family members from the visa requirement.
Member States shall grant such persons every facility to obtain the necessary visas. Such visas
shall be issued free of charge as soon as possible and on the basis of an accelerated procedure.
Artículo 5
2. Los miembros de la familia que no tengan la nacionalidad de un Estado miembro sólo estarán
sometidos a la obligación de visado de entrada de conformidad con el Reglamento (CE)
nº 539/2001, o, en su caso, con la legislación nacional. A los efectos de la presente Directiva, la
posesión de la tarjeta de residencia válida contemplada en el artículo 10 eximirá a dichos miembros
de la familia de la obligación de obtener un visado.
Los Estados miembros concederán a dichas personas todas las facilidades para obtener los visados
que precisen. Estos visados se expedirán gratuitamente lo antes posible, mediante un procedimiento
acelerado.
They asked for Marriage certificate, passports (both), Bank statement for proof of address and visa stating family member of EEA. Although, she was argueing with me that your visa (PR) doesn't say that you are a family member of an EEA and thats really irritated me and I replied "but, this (marriage certificate and old RC) do say that I am a family member of an eea. She was saying all the time that I have to follow the list which she has provided. Then I asked her manager named Margarita and she accept my PR as family member but did insist to pay service fee and advice that it will take at least 4 weeks to process visa. nonsence.sum1 wrote: What documents did they ask for?
Thanks Directive/2004/38/EC!Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Directive 2004/38/EC in English:Article 5
2. Family members who are not nationals of a Member State shall only be required to have an
entry visa in accordance with Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 or, where appropriate, with national
law. For the purposes of this Directive, possession of the valid residence card referred to in
Article 10 shall exempt such family members from the visa requirement.
Member States shall grant such persons every facility to obtain the necessary visas. Such visas
shall be issued free of charge as soon as possible and on the basis of an accelerated procedure.
Directive 2004/38/EC in SpanishArtículo 5
2. Los miembros de la familia que no tengan la nacionalidad de un Estado miembro sólo estarán
sometidos a la obligación de visado de entrada de conformidad con el Reglamento (CE)
nº 539/2001, o, en su caso, con la legislación nacional. A los efectos de la presente Directiva, la
posesión de la tarjeta de residencia válida contemplada en el artículo 10 eximirá a dichos miembros
de la familia de la obligación de obtener un visado.
Los Estados miembros concederán a dichas personas todas las facilidades para obtener los visados
que precisen. Estos visados se expedirán gratuitamente lo antes posible, mediante un procedimiento
acelerado.
See also the transposition into Spanish domestic law: http://eumovement.wordpress.com/eu-coun ... nfo-spain/
Thanks for the list. It is really silly to ask for a RC when you have to hand in the marriage certificate anyway... I wonder why they ask for a proof of address but maybe they just want to issue visa to residents (which, I think, should not apply to family members). According to Article 23(1) in the Visa Code the visa must be issued within 15 calendar days.pinkpanter wrote:They asked for Marriage certificate, passports (both), Bank statement for proof of address and visa stating family member of EEA. Although, she was argueing with me that your visa (PR) doesn't say that you are a family member of an EEA and thats really irritated me and I replied "but, this (marriage certificate and old RC) do say that I am a family member of an eea. She was saying all the time that I have to follow the list which she has provided. Then I asked her manager named Margarita and she accept my PR as family member but did insist to pay service fee and advice that it will take at least 4 weeks to process visa. nonsence.sum1 wrote: What documents did they ask for?
Anyway, I m more concern about my passport receive on time (hope with visa)
Thats what I am thinking. My visa shoud be issued within 15 days without regard what nationality you have got.sum1 wrote:Thanks for the list. It is really silly to ask for a RC when you have to hand in the marriage certificate anyway... I wonder why they ask for a proof of address but maybe they just want to issue visa to residents (which, I think, should not apply to family members). According to Article 23(1) in the Visa Code the visa must be issued within 15 calendar days.pinkpanter wrote:They asked for Marriage certificate, passports (both), Bank statement for proof of address and visa stating family member of EEA. Although, she was argueing with me that your visa (PR) doesn't say that you are a family member of an EEA and thats really irritated me and I replied "but, this (marriage certificate and old RC) do say that I am a family member of an eea. She was saying all the time that I have to follow the list which she has provided. Then I asked her manager named Margarita and she accept my PR as family member but did insist to pay service fee and advice that it will take at least 4 weeks to process visa. nonsence.sum1 wrote: What documents did they ask for?
Anyway, I m more concern about my passport receive on time (hope with visa)