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Only most of those without any other citizenship. There are quite a few British Overseas citizens in Malaysia (over 1 million) who are also Malaysian citizens - they have not been offered British citizenship either (unless they got it by living in the UK itself).BN(O) wrote: The British Government has already offered most British passport holders full citizenship so I think that BN(O)s should also be treated equally.
What you say is true except that BDTCs/BOTCs in 2002 automatically became British citizens, no need for a specific application unless BOTC acquired after 21 May 2002.imperan wrote:I think we are not talking about the numbers here but the moral obligation for the UK. HK citizens were BDTC before 1997 and the status had been changed to BNO. And soon after the handover of HK to China. All former BDTC (I believe it is called Bristish Overseas Territories Citizens or something like that) were conveniently entiled to apply for full British Citizenship, should they wish to do so in 2002. It is very obvious to me and many others that the UK government had always wanted to deny the citizens of HK a full UK citizenship.
No more "fragile" than the citizenship of any other country is in an independence scenario.BN(O) wrote:Bermuda's case showing us that how fragile a British citizenship is.
Short answer - no. Longer answer - clearly Parliament could pass whatever legislation it likes but there is no chance of that.There are some people in Hong Kong who were granted British citizenship before the handover, can their citizenship be revoked by the same/similar reasons?
In that case the people of Bermuda shouldn't become independent if they want to keep British Citizen passports. It's really quite a simple choice.The new Bermuda passport may be much worse than their BCs or BOTCs. It seems that people there are forced to leave Bermuda and go to the UK in order to secure their British citizenship. For Bermuda, I don't think the UK should revoke the inhabitants' BC passports and the acquistion of the new citizenship should be voluntary.
You are right about liberty and the rule of law, but Hong Kong has never been a democracy. Not that this matters when it comes to citizenship, anyway.BN(O) wrote:In fact, we cannot forget what Britain has done in Hong Kong. British values like rule of law, democracy and liberty have been always upheld here.
A Bermudian passport (i.e. that of a BOTC with Bermudian Belonger Status) is already much better than any EU passport as far as travelling to the US is concerned. Unlike Europeans, Bermudians can travel visa free to the US and can even attend school there without a visa. See here and here. In this respect, they are treated the same as Canadian citizens. There is no reason to think that this would change, should Bermuda become independent. After all, Bermuda has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, much higher than that of the US. Bermudians would most likely lose the automatic right to live and work in the EU, but I don't see why this is unfair. Bermuda has one of the toughest immigration systems in the world, even with regards to EU citizens. It's very hard (even for British citizens) to move there, and it's almost impossible to become a Bermudian.BN(O) wrote:The new Bermuda passport may be much worse than their BCs or BOTCs. It seems that people there are forced to leave Bermuda and go to the UK in order to secure their British citizenship. For Bermuda, I don't think the UK should revoke the inhabitants' BC passports and the acquistion of the new citizenship should be voluntary.
It's possible to be a BOTC connected with Bermuda and yet not have Bermudian belonger status. For example, a person born in Bermuda to foreign parents prior to 1983.Marco 72 wrote: A Bermudian passport (i.e. that of a BOTC with Bermudian Belonger Status) is already much better than any EU passport as far as travelling to the US is concerned.
This isn't quite as generous as it sounds, as it is still necessary to qualify for F status (nonimmigrant student status) under the normal US rules. The only difference is that a Canadian/Bermudian is not required to get a visa stamp in advance.Unlike Europeans, Bermudians can travel visa free to the US and can even attend school there without a visa.
In principle yes, with the important exception that Bermudians do not qualify for the NAFTA provisions (TN status).In this respect, they are treated the same as Canadian citizens.
All that would depend on the policies pursued by an independent Bermuda government. It is difficult to see what additional powers and resources to improve itself would accrue to Bermuda from independence. While the loss of the constitutional link to Britain could only have a negative consequence for Bermuda's financial services industry. And someone would have to pay for all those Bermuda embassies ...There is no reason to think that this would change, should Bermuda become independent. After all, Bermuda has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, much higher than that of the US.
If BN(O)s are only eligible for the normal HSMP or Work Permit, what's the point of issuing BN(O)s to Hong Kong people? I demand that some bonus points in HSMP should be awarded to British passport holders in order to show that UK is a responsible state, if what have I asked for is really too much. Freedom to work in the UK/EU would be much more reasonable. People in Macau are much more fortunate as most of them have EU passports, even the GDP is much weaker! It is ridiculous for a state to issue a passport that the holder is not returnable to the issuing country. Taiwan had this practice before (many ROC passport holders were not allowed to enter Taiwan) but it has abolished this later, how about the UK as one of the best countries about the globe? Enough is enough.JAJ wrote:In the meantime, there is always the option of coming to the UK on a working holiday visa (BNO passport is eligible), work permit or HSMP.
Alternatively, most well educated people from Hong Kong would be better advised to look towards Australia if they want to emigrate (and become Australian citizens in due course).
The "point" was to allow former Hong Kong BDTCs to continue travelling on a "British" Hong Kong passport instead of (or in addition to) a "Chinese" Hong Kong passport.BN(O) wrote: If BN(O)s are only eligible for the normal HSMP or Work Permit, what's the point of issuing BN(O)s to Hong Kong people?
Britain is a proud nation and it's really not a good idea to "demand" something as it may become less likely you would receive it.I demand that some bonus points in HSMP should be awarded to British passport holders in order to show that UK is a responsible state, if what have I asked for is really too much.
Have you a reference for this? The Wikipedia article states that a Taiwan passport does not carry a right of abode in the ROC:Taiwan had this practice before (many ROC passport holders were not allowed to enter Taiwan) but it has abolished this later,