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That's not correct. 319E(d)i(b) doesn't require the the applicant to be on a dependant status for 2 years.zulfiqar.malik wrote:Sorry just read your case; initially I thought that you replied to my thread. I think your wife's visa has been rejected correctly. 319E states that the dependent has to be on a dependent visa for at least 2 years.
There is no case reference. You need to point out to UKBA 319E(d)i(b) was not correctly applied in your case.manojult wrote:Thanks for the reply. I called up UKBA. The said that I should not have applied for ILR dependant. I read up the 319 E dib, yet see no requirement for spouse to be on dependant visa for two years.
But even solicitors I talk to are not sure. each one has a different opinion.
I guess I will appeal anyway.
Does anyone have any case reference number that I can site.
ban.s - do you have any feedback from UKBA?
It explicitly states that you must have been the partner of a person under any category of the rules before 9th July, 2012 must have lived together for 2 years.the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same gender partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of rules
under the rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the partner of the relevant points based system migrant, the specified period is 2 years.
I have highlighted partner because the partner applying for ILR as a dependent alongside the main applicant must been living on a partner visa for 2 years whether you (the main applicant) were on Tier 1 or any other visa.(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in a marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least the period specified in (i) or (ii):
(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, or
(b) the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant, the specified period is 2 years
They have made changes to 319E(d). Previously,zulfiqar.malik wrote:I have talked in length to many lawyers about this exact clause and while there are gray areas, everyone agrees that if you are applying as a dependent you must have lived on a dependent visa for 2 years. They have changed it to 5 years now which I think is ridiculous but that is besides the point that I'm trying to make here.
It was clear that it was not necessary for the applicant to be a dependant during the entire two year period.319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for a period of at least 2 years.
Perhaps it's not so clear.319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in a marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least the period specified in (i) or (ii):
(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, or
(b) the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant, the specified period is 2 years
The last part just defines what the specified period is, and that the applicant must be the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant continuously, since having been granted leave as the partner. However, the first part only specifies marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least the specified period.319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in a marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least the period specified in (i) or (ii):
(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant,
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant, the specified period is 2 years
319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in a marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least 2 years:
(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant,
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant
manojult wrote:When the PSW visa was about to expire, she applied for a dependant visa and re-entered UK on 22 Jan 2012.
319E(d)(i)(a) is satisfied if she was granted leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant prior to 22 Jan 2012 (that is prior to 9 July 2012), and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant.manojult wrote:Reason for refusal: "As stated above you entered UK on 22 Jan 2012 with entry clearance as a Tier 1 HS partner of M J Pariyadan which expired on 27 Aug 2012. Therefore you have not completed two years in the UK as a partner of a Tier 1 HS General migrant and you are unable to meet the requirements of paragraph 319 E (d)(i)(b)"
There appears to be no equivalent of 319E(d)(ii)(c) in 319E(d)(i). So, IMHO, dependant status may not be necessary for the entire specified period referred to in 319E(d)(i).319E(d) wrote:(ii) If (i) does not apply, the specified period is 5 years, during which the applicant must:
(a) have been in a relationship with the same Relevant Points Based System Migrant for this entire period,
(b) have spent the most recent part of the 5 year period with leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, and during that part of the period have met all of the requirements of paragraph 319C(a) to (e), and
(c) have spent the remainder of the 5 year period, where applicable, as the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules.
Click on links.vinny wrote:Previously,
319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for a period of at least 2 years.
You can apply for his registration as per section 1(3). The requirement is settled status or BC for only one parents, either father or mother.manojult wrote: 4. It is not clear to me if my UK born son's UK citizenship has to be differed till both parents are settled(He was born before I applied ILR).
Currently,319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for a period of at least 2 years.
When writing "if A, B", there is an implicit "then" after the comma. Explicitly, it may be written as "if A, then B".319E wrote:(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in a marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least the period specified in (i) or (ii):
(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, or
(b) the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant, the specified period is 2 years
(ii) If (i) does not apply, the specified period is 5 years, during which the applicant must:
(a) have been in a relationship with the same Relevant Points Based System Migrant for this entire period,
(b) have spent the most recent part of the 5 year period with leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, and during that part of the period have met all of the requirements of paragraph 319C(a) to (e), and
(c) have spent the remainder of the 5 year period, where applicable, with leave as the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules.
(d) not have been absent from the UK for more than 180 days during any 12 month period in the continuous period, except that:
(1) any absence from the UK for the purpose of assisting with a national or international humanitarian or environmental crisis overseas shall not count towards the 180 days, if the applicant provides evidence that this was the purpose of the absence(s), and
(2) any absence from the UK during periods of leave granted under the Rules in place before 11 January 2018 shall not count towards the 180 days.
Now let's see what (i) explicitly says.(d) The applicant and the Relevant Points Based System Migrant must have been living together in the UK in a marriage or civil partnership, or in a relationship similar to marriage or civil partnership, for at least the period specified in (i) or (ii):
(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, or
(b) the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant, then the specified period is 2 years
(ii) If (i) does not apply, then the specified period is 5 years, during which the applicant must:
(a) have been in a relationship with the same Relevant Points Based System Migrant for this entire period,
(b) have spent the most recent part of the 5 year period with leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, and during that part of the period have met all of the requirements of paragraph 319C(a) to (e), and
(c) have spent the remainder of the 5 year period, where applicable, with leave as the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules.
(d) not have been absent from the UK for more than 180 days during any 12 month period in the continuous period, except that:
(1) any absence from the UK for the purpose of assisting with a national or international humanitarian or environmental crisis overseas shall not count towards the 180 days, if the applicant provides evidence that this was the purpose of the absence(s), and
(2) any absence from the UK during periods of leave granted under the Rules in place before 11 January 2018 shall not count towards the 180 days.
I think this is of the form: "If (A or B) and C, then D."(i) If the applicant was granted leave as:
(a) the Partner of that Relevant Points Based System Migrant, or
(b) the spouse or civil partner, unmarried or same-sex partner of that person at a time when that person had leave under another category of these Rules
under the Rules in place before 9 July 2012, and since then has had continuous leave as the Partner of that Relevant Points based System Migrant, then the specified period is 2 years
manojult wrote: vinny - the previous version of the 319 E (d) is quite interesting. I would like to quote it in my reply. Where could I find the old version of Part 8(before HC 194).
Could someone mail it to manojult@gmail.com if you have a copy
The analysis confirms that the current rule (319E(d)) is the same as the rule in place prior to 9 July 2012, when the transitional provisions are met.indran wrote:Not sure why Vinny is analysing the current 319E rule for your case since it doesnt apply to your wife as she had her dependent visa before the rule change. Her case should fall in the transitional arrangements put in place by UKBA (http://ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/siteconte ... am-mig.pdf; Page 8, 69 and among others)