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Actually I think in the future you will need an ID card to get a passport not the other way round. In any case, if someone can fraudulantly obtain a passport, they could just as easily obtain an ID card using the same deception. So ID cards are not the solution, as the government claims.OL7MAX wrote:10,000 fraudulent passports issued last year: article.
If you need a passport to get an ID card - hey, the admitted fradulent passports means upto 10K fraudulent ID cards already in the waiting. And that's just from passports issued last year.
And what about the ones they didn't catch?
This point, indirectly, points to a problem with ID cards, namely that, once someone has obtained one fraudulently, the false identity is in effect 'cemented' into place; because of the nature of things, it is likely that, for all practical, day-to-day purposes, an ID card will be accepted as pretty much 'defitive' proof of identity.Dawie wrote:Actually I think in the future you will need an ID card to get a passport not the other way round. In any case, if someone can fraudulantly obtain a passport, they could just as easily obtain an ID card using the same deception. So ID cards are not the solution, as the government claims.
OL7MAX wrote:10,000 fraudulent passports issued last year: article.
If you need a passport to get an ID card - hey, the admitted fradulent passports means upto 10K fraudulent ID cards already in the waiting. And that's just from passports issued last year.
And what about the ones they didn't catch?
In my mind those who try to palm us this ID card scheme purely to "secure their legacy", who use the excuse of security to make us less secure, who preach to the world about the values of freedom while resolutely undermining our own are the real criminals. The ones whose criminality is on such a vast scale it defies belief are the ones we should be seeking punishment for first.Those who got fraudulent passports, who issued, falsified, or stealing the original passport. are alll criminals
If you think it's getting difficult to get settlement after a work permit in the UK, just look at the American system of H1B visas. Now that's slave labour...Rog wrote:Their crimes also include luring skilled migrants on a false promise of settlement, uprooting their families and now making them go back to an uncertain future. They actaually only want overseas workers to stay for 3-4 years paying all taxes and then going back.
If you look at the previous IT project failures of the UK government (e.g. the GP medical records system that was supposed to be a centralised database of patient records that any GP could access from anywhere, or the disasterous Inland Revenue Tax Credit System), it's hard to imagine that they could ever successfully implement an online system accessible from every port of entry to compare British passports to a live database.vin123 wrote:One of the main issues at the UK port of entries is that there is no facility to check genuinity of a UK passport that is shown by a person to gain entry into the UK.
The passports numbers while machine reading are only checked for blacklisted ones, not the entire database of genuine passports.
A passport appearing to be valid need not be a genuine one.
Bear in mind that the issue of false UK passport backdates to at least 10-15 years and there are criminal lobbies still active around this business.
This is major hurdle thats being worked on.
With regards to NHS and HMRC, It's actually the strategy and the vision that failed, not just execution or implementation of projects.Dawie wrote: If you look at the previous IT project failures of the UK government (e.g. the GP medical records system that was supposed to be a centralised database of patient records that any GP could access from anywhere, or the disasterous Inland Revenue Tax Credit System), it's hard to imagine that they could ever successfully implement an online system accessible from every port of entry to compare British passports to a live database.
jes2jes wrote:Some progress folks on the fake passport scenerio. Police have made some arrests at some 'Ppt factories' across the Southeast.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6483205.stm