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If such a situation is applicable to you, I would advice make sure you vist the British High Commission to 'avoid disappointment' prior to your travel. Do not forget to take copies of 'email communications' with you that you should definitely be having.After holding OCI card for 5 years, live in India for 1 year. You can regain Indian passport.
But wouldn't this mean you would have to relinquish British nationality right? But would you still be allowed to visit the UK on the Indian passport by applying for ILR or ROA or something along those lines?
Thanks. The Indian law says, you can only be Indian and cannot be another national (i.e no real dual citizen), which is what the problem is. When regaining Indian passport later(I never said I was going to do it, but I was asking this on behalf of people planning to retire in India in the future), the indians would say you have to relinquish the British nationality. I was wondering if the people would receive a life long UK visa(like ILR or ROA sticker). Yes, I would need to check up with the High commission.vin123 wrote:mahil_2000,
I made sure I read your prior posts before posting this intentional reply to you.
If such a situation is applicable to you, I would advice make sure you vist the British High Commission to 'avoid disappointment' prior to your travel. Do not forget to take copies of 'email communications' with you that you should definitely be having.After holding OCI card for 5 years, live in India for 1 year. You can regain Indian passport.
But wouldn't this mean you would have to relinquish British nationality right? But would you still be allowed to visit the UK on the Indian passport by applying for ILR or ROA or something along those lines?
Also, I advice you with care that, while visiting, do not attempt to hide your current UK passport inside your undergarments as they are most likely to be using X-ray & infra-red scanning technology, which in turn may damage other things
Which part is clever? I have not said anything illegal here at all (only illegal according to Indian law). Please remind me which part was too "clever" . And thanks for the advice.This is future - so bear in mind while standing at the counter, MI5 slueths would have already spotted these 'clever discussions' made by you on immigrationboard's Feb'07 archives .
Thanks.oh finally, good luck with your plans.
Be it legal or illegal, furnishing twists by misinterpreting rules in your own ways and most awkwardly, seeking public endorsement to your ideas by discussing here is not considered something ideal and of course will spoil the sole purpose of this board.Which part is clever? I have not said anything illegal here at all (only illegal according to Indian law). Please remind me which part was too "clever" . And thanks for the advice
I am guessing you must be talking about the OCI idea. May I ask your nationality?vin123 wrote:Be it legal or illegal, furnishing twists by misinterpreting rules in your own ways and most awkwardly, seeking public endorsement to your ideas by discussing here is not considered something ideal and of course will spoil the sole purpose of this board.
Please give me the further reading and refrain from issuing personal attacks.It appears like some of your ideas are may be born out of ignorance & immaturity or stupidity so I can suggest some further reading if you are interested.
This is future - so bear in mind while standing at the counter, MI5 slueths would have already spotted these 'clever discussions' made by you on immigrationboard's Feb'07 archives .
Lol. I am not sure you understood why I asked that question. So are you telling me it is okay, for retired people once relinquished their nationality to visit the country of relinquished nationality because they are naturalised there? Do you understand why people need ROA stamps in the first place?E.g : asking ROA after naturalisation is like you going to British High Commision in India and having the following conversation.
Indeed.mhunjn wrote: Reading your previous posts I can see why you have made certain comments and assertions. You clearly know that certain things you have mentioned are illegal, but considering the Indian politics and law, there is always a way out. You have to be really unlucky to get stuck!
Yes, agreed, I infact said, if you don't plan on going back to India soon for govt post or are from an Insurgency hit state, then take OCI.Most of the people here, mainly newly naturalised UK citizens talk the language of law and deter people from doing anything that could be construed illegal. This in my opinion is right, and i am sure, you will agree as well.
Well, if most of people's family is in India it is natural that people would want to keep their indian passport. Like relatives might say, buy this land or that land (you know how the story goes back home).Ofcourse the above is only true for Indians who have settled abroad, but still want to keep contacts in places where they grew up and still have family.
Sorry mate, the Right of Abode (ROA) does not exist anymore for anyone holding a UK passport. So make up your mind and tell your relatives to do the same: that they either have a UK passport + OCI sticker OR UK passport + PIO card OR a Indian passport + valid UK visa (e.g.: ILR sticker or Visa viginette for a select category). No 'ifs' & 'ands' combinations are possible.Well, if most of people's family is in India it is natural that people would want to keep their indian passport. Like relatives might say, buy this land or that land (you know how the story goes back home).
Some retired folks would want to keep Indian passport as they would want to retire in India, i.e buy house, settle in their village etc and keep a foreign passport to come stay in the UK to see grand children etc.
It is a shame that GOI has come up with this OCI scheme instead of a full dual nationality. I can see why in a security perspective that they have done this though.
Thanks for your message. My comments came well after the ROA rules had changed (changed in december).jaihind wrote:
Sorry mate, the Right of Abode (ROA) does not exist anymore for anyone holding a UK passport. So make up your mind and tell your relatives to do the same: that they either have a UK passport + OCI sticker OR UK passport + PIO card OR a Indian passport + valid UK visa (e.g.: ILR sticker or Visa viginette for a select category). No 'ifs' & 'ands' combinations are possible.
Evidently the IND people may have gathered that there is a gaping loophole with the ROA and some with twisted minds may exploit it for a lot of illegal travel activities that some Indians are no strangers to. So this loophole has now been shut once and for all. Maybe your past comments could have helped
read: http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applying/rightofabode
I hope this brings to an end all the misunderstanding and confusion caused by advising people to have their cake and eat it too.
There are probably several ways this can be done, two of which the authorities haven't yet discovered or have not found a solution to; are as described below:Oh and btw, someone on this forum has already travelled on an ILR after naturalisation and after having applied for British passport. So how exactly were people using 2nd nationality passport with ROA for illegal travel?(not asking in offending manner)
The british authorities would be aware because, when you apply for a british passport you have to submit your passport details. Maybe after they renew the indian passport, it would become a problem. Don't forget if the person is a british citizen, they have a right to enter the UK, regardless of your second nationality.jaihind wrote:
1. If they are women (and if later separated / divorced) , they still use their married surname on the Indian passport and keep their new suname (probably their original one) on the UK one. This is fraud, but neither the UK authorities nor the Indian ones have figured out a way of tracking this fraud. That's why I'm in favour of bio-metrics, so there is only one identity per person.
I don't understand how an abuse is going to occur...If you are british, you are allowed to use your 2nd nationality passport aswell. Dual nationality is legal in the UK. UK government has not made it compulsory to enter the UK with the british passport.2. If one has an ILR on any passport it is not a requirement to have a ROA as well. One can travel in and out of the UK freely even with an ILR. As the UK authorities still do not cancel the ILR sticker after a person receives a UK passport which I think is a major flaw, this is opened to wide abuse.
It is only illegal in India, not in the UK. Are you an embassy worker or something, have there been cases where foreign nationals have been caught entering India with Indian passport while possessing a foreign nationality?Either way a person holding a UK and Indian passport is fraud anyway you look at it and this could attract severe penalties given the recent climate of suspicion at airports (particularly on asian looking people). Immigration matters are taken extremely seriously nowadays both in the UK and in India. Hence it advisable to be clean because if caught, the alternative is dire.
The number caught in comparison is far lower than the number of law abiding Indians, so I wouldn't exaggerate that point.Several Indians are no strangers to fraud and deciet. The recent example of the Gujarat politician caught at Delhi airport trying to smuggle out a woman is ample proof of how endemic this phenomenon is.
For my friendabc009 wrote:PLEASE ANY ONE CAN HELP ME.......PLEASE HELP ME........
its been one month that i applyed for OCI by post. i am checking it online, it says under process from day one. the main doubt i have is if there is any problem processing my application then how will i know? will they let me know by letter or can i find out by online status checking? i am so confused.....