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UK Vs Canada . Which is better ?

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UK Vs Canada . Which is better ?

Post by SHANKARK » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:44 pm

Hi all,

I recently got Hsmp approval & EC and intended to fly next month...Also this week my application for Permanent Residence to Canada as approvaed as well which I filed two years ago....

Now I am in a confusion to choose the right destination for me...Many ppl say Canada is anyday better place than UK in many aspects....

I am a little bit bothered wether will I get the accredition for my Masters degree which I earned in the UK... I've heard many ppl complaining of hardlife and stiff competition in Canada and the Canadians are more bothered about their qualifications..

Can anyone advise me on this matter...I really wanna take the right decision now..

Many Thanks

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Post by nouna » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:56 pm

Canada is a guaranteed migration from day 1 however under HSMP you need to re-qualify after two years. Also the cost of living in Canada is much lower than in the UK so I would say go for Canada.
You may also job hunt remotely in both UK and Canada and then base your decision on the job opportunities that you will get.
I'm almost in the same boat, my husband applied for immigtration to Canada two years ago, we received UK entry clearance under HSMP today. The only difference is that so far we have not heard back from the Canadian embassy so the only option for us at the moment is the UK.
Good Luck!

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Post by SHANKARK » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:55 pm

Hiya,

Do you know if UK degrees hold valid accreditions in Canada ?

I am a bit worried because since Canada is direct PR and I take that go there leaving Hsmp, i wanna make sure I get recognition for my UK degree and previous work experience.

I am relatively young in my carrier (26 years) and and with my Masters degree in IT from UK, I will be seeking only a Graduate Level/Entry Level jobs in Canada... Such roles are quiet easy to get in UK If I am on Hsmp.

You are right..cant really rely on Hsmp extension after 2 years as you never know how the Home Office will change rules..

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Post by Papafaith » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:11 pm

Dont be confused, go to Canada. I came here under HSMP in 2004, even though th changed rules did not affect me, i feel pain for those it affects. I have started my Canadian immigration.
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Post by HSMP holder » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:09 pm

My thinking is that you can try out a little bit in the UK. If you don't like it, or cannot find a job there, just go back to Canada because Canadian PR lasts for 2 or 3 years. I forgot. The problem for HSMP is that it's too uncertain and UK government seem to lose their creditibility completely.

Apart from what have been said above, I think you should notice that Canadian citizen may enter US to work without needing H1B or green card. I am in the US now and it is my understanding that as a migrant, US have the most promising career prospect because everything is easily accessible. If you go to cities where migrants concentrate (e.g. LA/New York), you can certainly find a job without much difficulty.

Hope the above helps. I am a HSMP holder but I have also applied for Canadian immigration.

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Canada Vs UK

Post by SHANKARK » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:18 pm

Hi Hsmp Holder... yes there is T1 visa for Canadian citizens to work in the states... not sure wether it requires employer sponsorship like H1.

I would prefer Canada to UK because of the wider opportunities and a relatively easy access to the US job market from Canada. I just need to know about the non-canadian degree and work experience accreditions for new entrants in Canada..

Anyone has new information..please post..

Over the last 3 years of living in London, my irritation about the UK immigration policy is that, they make it very hard for us to get a workpermit or Hsmp but all eastern europeans are allowed into the UK to work and live.. This is very unfair & discriminatory..

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Post by HSMP holder » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:34 pm

I think a reputable UK degree is recognised in Canada. The problem for Canadian job market is that their tax rate is too high (almost 50%). But you are easily accessible to US job market or even have opportunity to get a green card in the furture. The life in the US is comfortable, yet you have to arrange adequate health insurance.

As to the visa problem, I think you must be a professional in order to work here without H1B. Yet for IT industry, if you have good work experience or academic results, I heard that you may easily get a job in Sillcon Valley, even with employer sponsorship because the majority of workers over there are either migrants or minority ethnic group. They are more willing to get a H1B for you.

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Post by simar » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:41 pm

Just pack your bags and move to canada. I have too applied for canada in 2002 from new-delhi. The cases have just started. I just want to move asap from uk to canada.
Since u r in begin of career. That is even more better/less problem to u. This country is no way long term settlement option now. I have realized it. Not fit for purpose as home office often says

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Post by esoluyemo » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:03 pm

My best advice would have been stay where you are at present. Dont leave certainty for uncertainty. The devil you know is better than the angel that you dont know. Nothing is good in migrating to a foreign land where you will become a second citizen. For example, people that have not been to the U.K will be dreaming of it. The moment they get the visa or entry permit, they will be so happen, eventually when you come, it will be a different story. The whole of your life will become misery, your future dream could be frustrated, the clock of your life will be set backward, you will have to begin again, and dont forget that your colleagues where you are coming from will also not remain on the same spot, as a matter of fact, they may even have more life speed than you. The most important thing is God's direction. U.K has thought me a bitter lesson of my life. Becoming coming to the U.K on HSMP a lot of people advised me that why did i want to leave my bank job with a good position to travel to the U.K that there is nothing there. Despite the fact that i have been coming here on holiday in the past, i was carried away by all the good things that we see in London, not thinking about issue of race discrimination, no-U.K experience, no-U.K qualification, I rebuffed their sincere advice that all things will be okay. Well, I should have been okay if not for their evil new rule, not withstanding, it will take you not less than a year for you to settle down where ever that you go. That one year means something in your life. Think of it, How much will you be earning in the U.K even if you manage to get a job? how soon can you get a job? the tax system in the U.K is killing to everybody but they have their ways of giving it back to their own citizen, which you will not qualify for, until say after 5years when you have your indefinite, if they will ever allow you to have it. U.K is a specialised slavery country. They have been in the business of taking foreigners as a slave for a long time.

Now, to talk of Canada, have you asked yourself the question "why all these immigration policies?" Look, it is not that these countries love us that they want us to prosper by coming to their country, but to suck us to dry until there is no breath in us again. All of them are the same. All of them are borrowing their leaves from the U.K.

Well, I have said my own. I know that no amount of plead or advice can change your mind. It is whatever that you have in mind that will prevail over all the advice that any body may want to give you or might have given to you. But, on a final note, in line with your religion, seek the face of God first. Let God to direct you and order your step in the right direction. He is the onlu one that can not mis-direct you.

I wish you the best in any decision that you might want to take.

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Post by Rog » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:29 pm

Excellent posting by Esoluyemo, summing up situation of most persons on 1+3 stage of HSMP. I have stopped thinking of my days in my home country where I had a car, did not think twice about spending on large shopping sprees etc. Ultimately it was my decision to go for the greener grass on the other side believing assurances of so called civilised government which proved to be deceptive. Now it is difficult to go back and face up to collegues who would have progressed further up the ladder while we are empty handed after handing over our savings for tax and NI which will be enjoyed by others and with the shame of being booted from a country. It is a pity that we all have to suffer for the sins of a few who came on fake documents and are stacking shelves in tesco.

Whether Canada or UK, my advise is one should only go on a work permit with a firm offer to start job with and with a view to maximise savings and go back.

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Post by bob30 » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:27 pm

post this question also in a canadian forum to know the opinion of the ones lived/living in canada

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Post by Papafaith » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:35 am

Skilled migration should be a two edged sword, we impact on their economy they impact on us.
Situations in Africa has made life terrible, its not all about money, i use to work for Shell in Port Harcourt Nigeria, Look at the daily killings of oil industry staff, but you have the money, you have the money, the nation exports crude but you cant get petrol to buy. Its about the quality of life.
The United Kingdom is not different from Nigeria, there is no peace here, but unfortunately we had to get here to find out, and since we are skilled and we know exactly what we want, we have to move on.
Canada is peacful, i really dont mind staking Tesco shelves if i find peace.
If all the rebels in Africa put down arms and allow peace in our continent, i will return.
We owe our children peace.
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Post by dokwal » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:13 am

UK

Situation is really hope less , please dont waste time in this market

Even oz is better than UK

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Post by tomkin » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:19 am

Let all know if this helps

http://www.notcanada.com/

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Post by SpiderKing » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:36 am

I have got my Canadian Application approved this year and medical will be done next year. (bit strange)

Canada is lovely place, very clean and open, but the problem is you won't find job easily as compared with UK.

UK economy is good and Job market is good. while in Canada every one will ask you for Canadian experience which is a real pain.

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Post by simar » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:48 am

Canada is big country in land size. They really want persons to come & settle. That’s why so many people come. Unfortunately the job market is highly regulated. But is this true in every country (IT is exception)
Since sheer number of people coming is so high.
Thus these sites like notcanada.com as more people to compliant.

Give a try to canada you are young and can settle early. UK is not big country in terms of land size. They really do not want migrants. Already the island is quite crowded.
As such UK is also okay for short term career development. I am not saying all bad here. But high cost house market, facial abuse on streets etc will make you feel not so comfartable if thinking of long term.

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Post by dokwal » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:27 pm

Even in UK , who gives job without UK Qualification and expereince

+ housing is really a problem

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Post by Ashekt » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:50 pm

I have seen some really negative thoughts for UK which I strongly don't agree with. I have been here for almost 1.5 years now and have seen no hardships personally and also no body from my family and I am happy to come to UK. I know there is always an uncertainity attcahed to these kinds of decisions but then then life is all about experimenting. You can always go back if things don't work and I am sure u get the job back home. Remember No Risk No Gain.
All you have to see is that with the kind of experience you have are there good number of jobs in UK...facial Discrimination is a universal problem...there is no country which do not dwelve into it in some form or the other...
If you have earned a degree here it wud certainly help...infact I just used my qualification and education which I earned in my country and still did not pose any problems...
I wud always prefer UK over Canada and to tell u I also tried both...

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Post by Papafaith » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:55 pm

Dockwal you are right, i came here took a student placement job of £10/hr for 8 months before i got my break. They need UK experience here too.
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Post by pantaiema » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:10 pm

I will say UK experience count. However if you have worked in well know multi national company in your country or anywhere in the world you could also easily find the job in the UK. Your overseas experience should be in shortage occupation area.

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dokwal wrote:Even in UK , who gives job without UK Qualification and expereince

+ housing is really a problem

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UK Vs Canada

Post by SHANKARK » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:50 pm

People have different experiences...From my experience, I will tell you it is very difficult to find a job in UK even with British qualifications if you require work permit. you wont even progress to the interview phase if they find out you require work permit.

An Hsmp is accepted by all employers in UK but its very difficult to satisfy for many ppl especially fresh passouts..luckily for me I had the SEGS permit to work in the UK for 1 year which I used it very well to work and satisfy the earning criteria of the HSMP.

Now its been 5 months since I left London, Iam out of job for 5 months. When I go back in a couple of weeks time, I am not sure how hard it is going to find a jobs because of this break.

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Post by SHANKARK » Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:55 pm

This website NotCanada.com is shocking !!!! :roll:
It looks like I am to move I will have make sure I arrange a job first !!!

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Post by ashishashah » Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:41 pm

Hi,

I havent been to Canada...But some of friends stay there...
So what i know is , jobs r mostky Blue collared...If u r in white colour jobs then difficult to get a job there..

Hmm..in UK, u can get a job, provided u have some Uk/USA exp...
I would say , if it was USA vs UK then it was close, but Cananda Vs UK is simple..go to UK..

I am saying although i am not fully happy with UK,after staying in USA,India ..Also weather in Canada can be a deterrent...
Hope it helps
Ashish

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Post by kawasaki1 » Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:29 pm

And weather in the UK is NOT a deterrent? :)

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Post by SHANKARK » Mon Apr 02, 2007 6:59 am

I dont think the UK weather is as bad as Canada's. I can see the extreme cold can be killing.

What exactly blue coloured / white coloured jobs mean ?

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