Documentation for Spouse visa

[courny]

does any have any idea as to what documents would be required for a join spouse visa?
specifically for a self employed person, as he wont have payslips p60 or letters from employer.
could anyone elaborate on how to best show/prove relationship history?
thanks

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

What nationality do you hold?

[IntegratedMigrant]

does any have any idea as to what documents would be required for a join spouse visa?

Passports - Spouse and applicant

Birth Cert - Spouse and applicant

Proof of residence in the country that you currently resides - Spouse and applicant

Marriage Certificate.

Proof of employment if applicable - Spouse and applicant

Spousal Visa application

Proof of relationship history

Etc

[IntegratedMigrant]

specifically for a self employed person, as he wont have payslips p60 or letters from employer.

Bank Statements and proof of self employment (documents )will be sufficient

[IntegratedMigrant]

could anyone elaborate on how to best show/prove

Proof of Visa /stamp/documents if Spouse traveled from His/her country to meet you OR Proof of Visa /stamp/documents if the applicant traveled from His/her country to meet you.

Photos of yourselves together.

Other documents that links you to her or her to you.

[courny]

thank you friend.
I currently hold a pakistani passport. waiting on my irish citizenship since November 2011.
I am a self employed dentist working since September 2011. Got married december 2012.
Are the entry and exit stamps into pakistan enough to show that i travelled to meet her and spend time with her before marriage and for the wedding itself?
also would you recommend submitting hard copies of our pictures together or rip a CD of all our pictures (as digital version will have dates of when pics were taken)
me and her have had a joint account since december 2011 into which i send money every month. is that a good thing to have?

see the problem is we were going out for 18 months before the wedding date but in july 2012 she applied for a visit visa which was refused. would that have a negative impact on her join spouse application?
im waiting for her to finish her bachelors then apply in august.

sorry about al the questions

[courny]

also am i better off applying after i get my irish citizenship or it doesnt make a difference?
im pakistani at the moment and shes also a pakistani citizen

[courny]

What nationality do you hold?

Paki passport at the moment. Waiting on irish citizenship since November 2011.

[IntegratedMigrant]

Are the entry and exit stamps into pakistan enough to show that i travelled to meet her and spend time with her before marriage and for the wedding itself?

Yes it is a good proof as far as you could back it up with photos and other things as well

[IntegratedMigrant]

also would you recommend submitting hard copies of our pictures together or rip a CD of all our pictures (as digital version will have dates of when pics were taken)

Do both if it wouldn't be much hassle to you. They love when you give them sufficient proofs in surplus!.

[IntegratedMigrant]

me and her have had a joint account since december 2011 into which i send money every month. is that a good thing to have?

That excellent, its one of the best proofs you got. Include the bank statements and all.

[IntegratedMigrant]

see the problem is we were going out for 18 months before the wedding date but in july 2012 she applied for a visit visa which was refused. would that have a negative impact on her join spouse application?
im waiting for her to finish her bachelors then apply in august.

Every application is meant to be treated differently. If her previous visa refusal was because of crime/offenses, then yes it will have a negative impact, but I think they refused her because she did not demonstrate enough proof to visit Ireland OR that she did not demonstrate that she will return to her country of residence after visit.

If one of the two was the case then she will have a strong application this time as all of the cases above will be irrelevant. Her visa application now is Join Spousal which means that she will be joining her husband and staying in Ireland.

[IntegratedMigrant]

also am i better off applying after i get my irish citizenship or it doesnt make a difference?
im pakistani at the moment and shes also a pakistani citizen

Ofcourse it makes a difference!

Apply now and she'll be more than likely to get refused, AGAIN!

Apply after you get your citizenship and she'll be more than likely to get APPROVED in your case.

[courny]

also am i better off applying after i get my irish citizenship or it doesnt make a difference?
im pakistani at the moment and shes also a pakistani citizen

Ofcourse it makes a difference!

Apply now and she'll be more than likely to get refused, AGAIN!

Apply after you get your citizenship and she'll be more than likely to get APPROVED in your case.

So more likely to get refused if applying for a join spouse visa as a pakistani citizen Vs Irish citizen for my pakistani wife ..... how does that make any sense?

[IntegratedMigrant]

So more likely to get refused if applying for a join spouse visa as a pakistani citizen Vs Irish citizen for my pakistani wife ..... how does that make any sense?

Ok I will explain clearer.

Now that you are a Pakistani Citizen, if she applies a Join Spousal Visa to Join you, her application may be refused and the chances are high.

When you become an Irish Citizen, if she applies a Join Spousal Visa to Join you, her application may be approved and the chances are high.

The reason is because they will consider her application because you are an Irish Citizen and not just a PAKISTANI, does that make any sense now?

[courny]

So more likely to get refused if applying for a join spouse visa as a pakistani citizen Vs Irish citizen for my pakistani wife ..... how does that make any sense?

Ok I will explain clearer.

Now that you are a Pakistani Citizen, if she applies a Join Spousal Visa to Join you, her application may be refused and the chances are high.

When you become an Irish Citizen, if she applies a Join Spousal Visa to Join you, her application may be approved and the chances are high.

The reason is because they will consider her application because you are an Irish Citizen and not just a PAKISTANI, does that make any sense now?

yes i get this. its pretty clear. but why question is WHY?
this is absolutely retarded. shouldnt their goal be to ensure marriage is not a sham and if thats not the case let the wife in no matter what nationality the husband or the wife is?

[IntegratedMigrant]

this is absolutely retarded. shouldnt their goal be to ensure marriage is not a sham and if thats not the case let the wife in no matter what nationality the husband or the wife is?

No its not, its one of the measure thats in place nearly in every country really. They dont want people to use marriage as a means of brining other people into their country!. You have to earn it!

It seems like your oblivious, but that you have a Stamp 4 gives you absolutely NO RIGHT to bring anyone to Ireland despite who they are!.

The only right that an Irish National has is to bring their SPOUSE to Ireland, not their mother, father, or siblings as it will be extremely difficult.

Talk about Sham by the way how would they know a marriage that is a sham? Its so difficult to prove!.

[jeupsy]

Yes, while I understand it must be frustrating, it does makes sense for a country to prioritise the family members of its own nationals, then of the ones of foreign nationals who have permanent resistance, and after that the ones of foreign nationals which have a non permanent status.

Probably all countries in the world would do that.
Now of course it doesn't mean they should completely prevent spouses of foreign nationals to come in and there should be a clear path for that.