FLR(O) Discretionary Leave waiting times ..??

[ONLYME1]

Oh i forgot to add i have been living in uk for 5years and couple of months now

[babycakes]

Yes sit tight and enjoy the ride, I have been waiting since April last year for an extension.

Have u contact your mp? If u dont mind me asking when did u complete your biometric?

Yes my mp wrote to them twice and have written to them again last week, Now waiting on a response from them which is usually very vague saying they dont know how much longer it will take i need to keep on waiting and i will be contacted in due time.

@ babycakes please if you dont mind - what sort of extension are you applying for and on what basis? I understand all extensions go throw active reviews but unless change in circumstance from why initial leave was granted then the active review should be straight forward application, thou we all know UKBA themself make simple cases complicated. Please advise nature of your application if you dont mind. Thanks.

Been in the uk for 11 years married with an 8 yr old British daughter
Even though my husband and I have now been separated nevertheless my child is pass the 7 yr threshold and is pretty much settled so what's the problem? I am just waiting to see what they come up with now. Stupid people!

[babycakes]

Someone was granted DLR because he's got a pet and he's taking care of it
LOL

dont listen to such rubbish home secretary created that story to make a point as to why she wanted to remove or toughen the human rights side of the applications.

in all honesty who would run such a risk as to involve a animal/pet into their application.

Seriously if she has nothing good to say it best she just keep quiet, they have tried so many different ways to control migration ,when will they realise that migration can never me controlled its a problem first world country faces check out Usa and Canada no one has time to hunt down illegal immigrant and pay 1000s of tax payers money to send them back to thier country.

why dont they focus on getting the country out of tripple dip recession instead of focusing on people who has built a family life here.

The issue of including a pet as part of the reasons why the applicant should be allowed to stay in the UK has been so grossly taken out of context. My solicitor represented the Bolivian applicant and I understand the case very well. When the news broke in 2011, coincidentally I had an appointment with my solicitor and the appointment was delayed for 30 minutes because he was being interviewed by the BBC.

The applicant was not allowed to stay because he had a pet, I understand that the UKBA failed to apply one of its policies which was in place at the time, and this policy would have favoured the applicant. In the applicant's supporting statement which he sent as part of his application, he listed the level of commitment he had established in the UK with his gay partner and having a cat was one of the things he listed. So, naively, Theresa May's aids picked this particular point out and Theresa May went to the Conservative Conference and used it as a point to show why the Human Right Act should be redefined.

Exactly my point Home Secretary took that story and use it to justify why changes to human rights application should be made, which is ridiculous really.

[babycakes]

I have recently found out that ukba no longer use discretion when it comes to male applicants or it they do they rarely do do.Between January and today 3 of my males friends were refused and one was actually detained and removed, he had 2 kids one 7 and one 3. Does anyone know of anything similar to this?

Also what happened to that guy that went to croydon enquiry office to attend his interview? He hasn't been back on the forum since.

[ONLYME1]

@babycakes

Ukba from what I read don't care if its male or female...they just don't grant DL to many specially when one has overstayed and has no genuine really for overstaying and to be honest it all depends on the case worker really...

Can someone reply to my post I made previously would love to hear your opinions towards my case

Cheers

[ONLYME1]

hello every1

new to the site and my time line is

application type: flr o (compassionate grounds)
application made: 06-june-2012
biometric recieved: 18th august but dated 15th
biometric done: 19th august
mp contacted ho: december 2012
reply to mp on january 2013: that my application is in a queue waiting consideration and they can give time scale on it as its outsie the rule.
rang ho: last thursday they reply saying application still outstanding
waiting till now been more than 11months now.

brief story: i came in the country at the age of 13years old my dad brought me here and dump me with my mum and ever since i havent heard from him and he use to beat me up and i have 5scars on my body i got from him while i was with him back home.....my mum aint got no leave and me and her dont get alone as no connection there....i went to high school and college here and been in a relationship with my gf since high school... we both just turned 18years old and i made my application when i was 17years old.

grounds on which i applied:

Domestic violence from my father back home: sent picture evidence of the scars on my body.

attended school and college here: sent in all my school n college certificates which clearly shows i have intergrated with the society and i have adapted to the life here and will be hard to reajust

In a serious relation with a british citizen: sent in all pictures us and her birth certificate with a latter from her confirming we been together from high school till date and intend to get married in the future also we live 2mins away and since we aint living together yet as we just turned adults but been together for more than 3years

covering letter explaining i came in as a minnor (13years old) there for wont be counted as an offender which i was told that by an immigration officer herself when i found out i had no status and i have no ties back home anymore and been living in england for 5years plus now

please can you tell me what my chances are anymore as i cant wait for you rreply

cheers......sorry for the long note kindly reply with advice

[babycakes]

@babycakes

Ukba from what I read don't care if its male or female...they just don't grant DL to many specially when one has overstayed and has no genuine really for overstaying and to be honest it all depends on the case worker really...

Can someone reply to my post I made previously would love to hear your opinions towards my case

Cheers

They do, when it comes to male being in Their child's life they tend to disregard that fact, flro are for compassionate ground for overstayers who can't return to their country due to the family life they develop in the uk. Yet I realise male applicants are treated differently my friends daughter wrote a letter to the CRT telling how she missing her dad( he was being detained )
That was totally ignored and my friend was removed. A few years ago male or female it doesn't matter but since this whole catastrophe with backlog they tend to not want to accept the fact that fathers also play an active role.

[ONLYME1]

I think you have a point there ohwell I won't know much about that as my case is defferent and hey do you think I stand a chance?

[oishola77778]

you will find that caseworkers themselves have no understanding of UKBA red tapes, hence usual cause backlogs of applications, how can people that have no understanding of how to implement a law be allowed to be lawyers?

If you watch closely, very few applications that were successful are been dealt with by UKBA LNC 1 - who are been referred to as senior caseworker but government cut have obviously impact number of experienced staff now working for UKBA, hence our bad.

I was in an immigration appeal court some weeks ago on behalf of my domestic worker, funny enough the senior immigration court asked a question about when changes was made to immigration law and the UKBA presenting officer was dumb founded for almost 5 minutes until I confirmed the date and the judge was looking so suprised, please if you are ever refused always make sure you fight the appeal - Judges understand that UKBA is full of crap.

I can confirm that application sent to UKBA yesterday has been received today 8th May 2013, they certainly have notes on their system about me and possibility of whooping there assssssssssssss.................

God save us all...................

[ONLYME1]

@OISHOLA77778

SEEM LIKE YOU KNOW ABIT ABOUT THIS CRAZY PEOPLE UKBA HAHA MY APPLICATION IS TAKING AGES NOW MORE THAN 11MONTHS AND I DONT EVEN KNOW IF I STAND A CHANCE SO CAN YOU READ MY PREVIOUS POST AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK

[babycakes]

@Only me

I was doing a bit of research on your case,lol I think it will be very difficult to be granted under flro, as in the ukba eyes they will feel you dont have enough ties to the country. Going to social services would have been your best bet as they have a duty to protect minors from abuse, but you are no longer a minor so that door is closed.

The length of time you spent here wont be sufficient for ILR as you need to be here for more than half your life if your are above 18 yet under 25 you need to be here for at least half of your life.

You are in a relationship but i doubt very much they will take that into consideration due to your age, again the status of your parents matters.

To be honest this situation is a bit tricky there was a girl on the forum with similiar situation except she was here for about 11yrs she was refused.

keep this faith you never know as everything with ukba is a gamble and it is all about luck.



cheers

[babycakes]

I think you have a point there ohwell I won't know much about that as my case is defferent and hey do you think I stand a chance?

I was doing a bit of research on your case,lol I think it will be very difficult to be granted under flro, as in the ukba eyes they will feel you dont have enough ties to the country. Going to social services would have been your best bet as they have a duty to protect minors from abuse, but you are no longer a minor so that door is closed.

The length of time you spent here wont be sufficient for ILR as you need to be here for more than half your life if your are above 18 yet under 25 you need to be here for at least half of your life.

You are in a relationship but i doubt very much they will take that into consideration due to your age, again the status of your parents matters.

To be honest this situation is a bit tricky there was a girl on the forum with similiar situation except she was here for about 11yrs she was refused.

keep this faith you never know as everything with ukba is a gamble and it is all about luck.



cheers

[oishola77778]

@ ONLYME 1

I think babycakes have covered it all, but as the application implies it is on compassionate basis, hence someone with experience should positively handle such case.

our of curiosity could you confirm the following:

do you have a proof of when you entered UK as a minor?

what country did you come from originally?

was you or have you ever been involved in any wrong/ criminal activity?

you claimed you dont get on with your mother as their isnt any connection, this seems confusing considering such relationship you had with your father, one would have thought she been the only family you are left with such relationship should be very good, am not trying to dig into your personal life her but trying to reason same way as a caseworker looking for every excuse not to grant an application??

was you leaving with your mum? and what is your mum's current immigration status and have she done anything about it if not yet cleared??

since you are left with your mum, what was she doing??work/study or what??

did you submit letters from your tutors whilst in college to support your application?

I know we do all make mistakes as children, but have you made any mistakes you can think of since you have been in UK?

Have you trace of your family lineage? do you have any proof that you have attempted to trace your roots/ family?

All this might seems strange to you but its me thinking deep and trying to find a way of making it impossible to ask for your return.


you took pictures of scars caused to you by your father, how do you proof they were actually inflicted by your father?

Positive responses to above questions seems to me a strong indication of building good Article 8 / compassionate application.

[babycakes]

@ ONLYME 1

I think babycakes have covered it all, but as the application implies it is on compassionate basis, hence someone with experience should positively handle such case.

our of curiosity could you confirm the following:

do you have a proof of when you entered UK as a minor?

what country did you come from originally?

was you or have you ever been involved in any wrong/ criminal activity?

you claimed you dont get on with your mother as their isnt any connection, this seems confusing considering such relationship you had with your father, one would have thought she been the only family you are left with such relationship should be very good, am not trying to dig into your personal life her but trying to reason same way as a caseworker looking for every excuse not to grant an application??

was you leaving with your mum? and what is your mum's current immigration status and have she done anything about it if not yet cleared??

since you are left with your mum, what was she doing??work/study or what??

did you submit letters from your tutors whilst in college to support your application?

I know we do all make mistakes as children, but have you made any mistakes you can think of since you have been in UK?

Have you trace of your family lineage? do you have any proof that you have attempted to trace your roots/ family?

All this might seems strange to you but its me thinking deep and trying to find a way of making it impossible to ask for your return.


you took pictures of scars caused to you by your father, how do you proof they were actually inflicted by your father?

Positive responses to above questions seems to me a strong indication of building good Article 8 / compassionate application.

You are right plus you know what these people are like already, they will start asking why didnt you contact social services as you were a vulnerable minor where are your parents today? If they are overstayer that will only make matters worst.

I really dont know there isnt much merits to this case to be honest. Worst case scenario you get refuse you remain here until you qualify to apply or in a stronger position.

[rec212]

Hi guys,

Is the UKBA still sending letters of removal? I have not received one after my application was refused.
My MP rang the UKBA on my behalf and they told him that I may appeal even if I had no right to appeal in the first place and even if I did not receive any removal notice!
This is so strange and I find it a bit fishy. I am just worried cuz maybe they asked me to appeal just so that I could lose or sth...

[ONLYME1]

@oishola

1: Yes i have proof i came in at the age of 13years because my mother previously appied for stay cuz she got married to eu national which was refused so the HO has my passport i came in with and also when i spoke to an immigration office all she did was type in my name and dob all my application details and when i entered uk showed up on system so they know when i came in.

2: i am from nigeria

3: was attacked before and got arrested but i was left to go with just a warning

4: i dont get along with her bcuz she wasnt there while i was growing she left me when i was 1year old and if she was there maybe i wouldnt be domestically abused by my father.

5: her current status is still pending as she re applied

6: shes been working bcuz when she first applied they gave her COA which allows you to work.

7: i submited letters from my school and college tuturs

8: i have no contact with my father since 5years and beside i dont want to see him anymore.

@ babycake

LMAO sorry but someone whos went to high school and college and game in this country as a minor ....i found out my status when i was 17years and rang up ukba and explain everything and here is what the lady said.

1: since you have attending high school and college it will be unfair to ask you to leave due to the fact you have socialised with the system....made friends etc.

2: relationship counts no matter the age all you need is to prove and convince them it is genuine relationship she said (even people wih kids get refused due to they dont prove the authenticity os the relationship)

3: the ukba wont be in a possition to question a minor of that age (13years) for his or her action then.

4: The ukba will take consideration in my best interest to protect me (if he can dump me he sure can heat me she said)

finally she asked me to print form flr o and apply with a detailed letter stating my situation and leave it to the case worker to deside but shes pretty sure it will be off good outcome as they wont want to take all that i have archieved away from me because overstaying wasnt by my doing and i found out early and making effort to resolve it (applied whilst under age) all this will be put into consideration

@babecake

you also said smer about a girl been here since 11years??? did she attend school??? did she attend college??? what age did she enter uk?has she got evidence of when she game in???has she got any form of reason not to be sent home???etc

form flr o is outside the rule and my mp conformed to me that the ukba said i have a compassion case i just need to wait and be patient

cheers

[shea]

Hi guys,

Is the UKBA still sending letters of removal? I have not received one after my application was refused.
My MP rang the UKBA on my behalf and they told him that I may appeal even if I had no right to appeal in the first place and even if I did not receive any removal notice!
This is so strange and I find it a bit fishy. I am just worried cuz maybe they asked me to appeal just so that I could lose or sth...

They told me I couldn't appeal to back in 2010 when I was refused on ILR based on the fact I came here at the age 14 in 1998 but I appealed through my lawyer and I won but was given DLR instead.

[bishop007]

Hi guys,

Is the UKBA still sending letters of removal? I have not received one after my application was refused.
My MP rang the UKBA on my behalf and they told him that I may appeal even if I had no right to appeal in the first place and even if I did not receive any removal notice!
This is so strange and I find it a bit fishy. I am just worried cuz maybe they asked me to appeal just so that I could lose or sth...

They told me I couldn't appeal to back in 2010 when I was refused on ILR based on the fact I came here at the age 14 in 1998 but I appealed through my lawyer and I won but was given DLR instead.

Why ask for other peoples opinion here when you are sure you will be granted, you've made an inquiry with the proper organisation that deals with stuff like yours, and you've been given a green light that you wont be refused...so what ever anyone says here regarding your application wont be what you wanna hear..

[cookies]

@oishola

1: Yes i have proof i came in at the age of 13years because my mother previously appied for stay cuz she got married to eu national which was refused so the HO has my passport i came in with and also when i spoke to an immigration office all she did was type in my name and dob all my application details and when i entered uk showed up on system so they know when i came in.

2: i am from nigeria

3: was attacked before and got arrested but i was left to go with just a warning

4: i dont get along with her bcuz she wasnt there while i was growing she left me when i was 1year old and if she was there maybe i wouldnt be domestically abused by my father.

5: her current status is still pending as she re applied

6: shes been working bcuz when she first applied they gave her COA which allows you to work.

7: i submited letters from my school and college tuturs

8: i have no contact with my father since 5years and beside i dont want to see him anymore.

@ babycake

LMAO sorry but someone whos went to high school and college and game in this country as a minor ....i found out my status when i was 17years and rang up ukba and explain everything and here is what the lady said.

1: since you have attending high school and college it will be unfair to ask you to leave due to the fact you have socialised with the system....made friends etc.

2: relationship counts no matter the age all you need is to prove and convince them it is genuine relationship she said (even people wih kids get refused due to they dont prove the authenticity os the relationship)

3: the ukba wont be in a possition to question a minor of that age (13years) for his or her action then.

4: The ukba will take consideration in my best interest to protect me (if he can dump me he sure can heat me she said)

finally she asked me to print form flr o and apply with a detailed letter stating my situation and leave it to the case worker to deside but shes pretty sure it will be off good outcome as they wont want to take all that i have archieved away from me because overstaying wasnt by my doing and i found out early and making effort to resolve it (applied whilst under age) all this will be put into consideration

@babecake

you also said smer about a girl been here since 11years??? did she attend school??? did she attend college??? what age did she enter uk?has she got evidence of when she game in???has she got any form of reason not to be sent home???etc

form flr o is outside the rule and my mp conformed to me that the ukba said i have a compassion case i just need to wait and be patient

cheers

Hey OnlyMe: if you called the ukba/HO and got reassurance from them that your case is strong, then why are you on here asking for advice? Babycakes was just trying to help you. In this forum we are all here to support each other and share our experience, this is not a legal advice forum, if you need further legal advice contact a solicitor. Good luck with your application!

[oishola77778]

Hi guys,

Is the UKBA still sending letters of removal? I have not received one after my application was refused.
My MP rang the UKBA on my behalf and they told him that I may appeal even if I had no right to appeal in the first place and even if I did not receive any removal notice!
This is so strange and I find it a bit fishy. I am just worried cuz maybe they asked me to appeal just so that I could lose or sth...

@ rec212

regardless of you been in receipt of a removal notice, I would suggest you go ahead with your appeal accordingly, this places you in a stronger position in face of law ( you have done the right thing and homeoffice not complying), you will find that they usually will come up with an address where they have issued the notice if at all issued, this I so much doubt.

Another possibility is, if you have ever in cause of your application given them address of a solicitor representing you, they usually use that as an escape route, funny enough once a solicitor is no longer representing you they just address it back to sender, which technically is no trace on home office record.

if you want further clarification, ring UKBA ON 08706067766 and make further enquiries, don't worry as they have nothing to do to you.

[ONLYME1]

Good point guys was just trying to share my experience with you guys nothing more... am not saying i will be granted but hopefully in GODs name we all will be granted...

[cookies]

I have recently found out that ukba no longer use discretion when it comes to male applicants or it they do they rarely do do.Between January and today 3 of my males friends were refused and one was actually detained and removed, he had 2 kids one 7 and one 3. Does anyone know of anything similar to this?

Also what happened to that guy that went to croydon enquiry office to attend his interview? He hasn't been back on the forum since.

I sure hope this is just a coincidence, that all 3 of your male friends have been rejected! If they are discriminating due to the fact that you are a male applicant that would just be down-right outrageous to me!!! I am a female applicant and I sure hope they look at my case in depth before making any ridiculous decisions and my daughter's life and future are at steak here. The UKBA have the obligation to protect British citizen kids, British Citizen kids have no rights outside Britain, they have no rights in a foreign country regardless of their foreign national parent, it's ridiculous to refuse a parent to stay with their child, creating unnecessary trauma! what is wrong with people?! I know they're desperate but come on! They have the habit of allowing criminals, drug dealers and terrorist to stay! They obviously haven't a clue!! Come on everyone, if you get refused appeal and fight, fight, fight!!!! Good luck to all!

[babycakes]

@oishola

1: Yes i have proof i came in at the age of 13years because my mother previously appied for stay cuz she got married to eu national which was refused so the HO has my passport i came in with and also when i spoke to an immigration office all she did was type in my name and dob all my application details and when i entered uk showed up on system so they know when i came in.

2: i am from nigeria

3: was attacked before and got arrested but i was left to go with just a warning

4: i dont get along with her bcuz she wasnt there while i was growing she left me when i was 1year old and if she was there maybe i wouldnt be domestically abused by my father.

5: her current status is still pending as she re applied

6: shes been working bcuz when she first applied they gave her COA which allows you to work.

7: i submited letters from my school and college tuturs

8: i have no contact with my father since 5years and beside i dont want to see him anymore.

@ babycake

LMAO sorry but someone whos went to high school and college and game in this country as a minor ....i found out my status when i was 17years and rang up ukba and explain everything and here is what the lady said.

1: since you have attending high school and college it will be unfair to ask you to leave due to the fact you have socialised with the system....made friends etc.

2: relationship counts no matter the age all you need is to prove and convince them it is genuine relationship she said (even people wih kids get refused due to they dont prove the authenticity os the relationship)

3: the ukba wont be in a possition to question a minor of that age (13years) for his or her action then.

4: The ukba will take consideration in my best interest to protect me (if he can dump me he sure can heat me she said)

finally she asked me to print form flr o and apply with a detailed letter stating my situation and leave it to the case worker to deside but shes pretty sure it will be off good outcome as they wont want to take all that i have archieved away from me because overstaying wasnt by my doing and i found out early and making effort to resolve it (applied whilst under age) all this will be put into consideration

@babecake

you also said smer about a girl been here since 11years??? did she attend school??? did she attend college??? what age did she enter uk?has she got evidence of when she game in???has she got any form of reason not to be sent home???etc

form flr o is outside the rule and my mp conformed to me that the ukba said i have a compassion case i just need to wait and be patient

cheers

Hey OnlyMe: if you called the ukba/HO and got reassurance from them that your case is strong, then why are you on here asking for advice? Babycakes was just trying to help you. In this forum we are all here to support each other and share our experience, this is not a legal advice forum, if you need further legal advice contact a solicitor. Good luck with your application!

Thanks cookie,

So true we are on here to support each other and give the most honest advise possible,

@ only me sound as if you are on the defensive, you spoke to a call centre agent on the phone and by no means an immigration officer these people dont know much and for that same reason cant give an update on your application when you rang through to them.

You have people on here that has been in relationships for ages, with British spouses and kids and yet are being turned down, even though it the HO duty to consider children first before anything.

You stated you came in the country 5 years ago,went to school and got integrated in the system, this by no means makes you application a strong one, 5 years isnt that long enough,what ties do you share with the country? This is what they will ask.

You were in a better position as a minor but now you are an adult and HO will be treating you like one.You might have a sad story but unfortunately HO are bastards and can easily say you should return to your country. Marriages are being torn apart by the UKBA let alone a relationship.

As i said in my previous post a friend of mine had 2 kids stayed here for 14 years and was later deported, which goes to show how callous UKBA are,
if you have a lawyer sit tight and waite but remember even if you end up at court of appeal for human rights and still cant prove your rights you will be refused.

That person been here from a tender age about 10 have a child and have been living here for 11rs,need i say more.

I have to be honest with you about how the system work as you dont seem to know or understand.

Anyways you seem to know everything good luck
God bless.

[babycakes]

I have recently found out that ukba no longer use discretion when it comes to male applicants or it they do they rarely do do.Between January and today 3 of my males friends were refused and one was actually detained and removed, he had 2 kids one 7 and one 3. Does anyone know of anything similar to this?

Also what happened to that guy that went to croydon enquiry office to attend his interview? He hasn't been back on the forum since.

I sure hope this is just a coincidence, that all 3 of your male friends have been rejected! If they are discriminating due to the fact that you are a male applicant that would just be down-right outrageous to me!!! I am a female applicant and I sure hope they look at my case in depth before making any ridiculous decisions and my daughter's life and future are at steak here. The UKBA have the obligation to protect British citizen kids, British Citizen kids have no rights outside Britain, they have no rights in a foreign country regardless of their foreign national parent, it's ridiculous to refuse a parent to stay with their child, creating unnecessary trauma! what is wrong with people?! I know they're desperate but come on! They have the habit of allowing criminals, drug dealers and terrorist to stay! They obviously haven't a clue!! Come on everyone, if you get refused appeal and fight, fight, fight!!!! Good luck to all!

Its a shame how they deal with parent of British children, can you imagine they are tearing families apart turning parents into single parent, this is cruel i know i will be fighting to the end I may not be British but my child sure is and she has a right to be here and no way will i let them tell me otherwise. This is so unfair,it would have been easier if they ran an amnesty lol people wont just go away they will appeal until they have exhausted there limit, a friend of mine is on her 4th appeal i think, her son is 8 now so hopefully she will be granted.

Fight fight yes fight for our children's right.

[ONLYME1]

@babycakes

thanks alot for your details response and vital information i do appreciate it but i applied as a MINOR and case will still be dealth with as a MINOR and from what i understand its overstayers that surfer refusals the most.. the ukba dont care if you have 20kids or none most time they need a real compelling reason why an applicant breach his or her previous visa condition thats number key point they look into... your right about what tie i have in the county but its on a compassion grounds outside the rules for discretionary leave to remain n i applied before the changes.... about human right claim if ever i go to court which i pray i dont it will still be on compassionate grounds still... if a compassionate grounds is found hopefully it will be overturned....babycake spoke to solicitor and he said people make application on article 8 while others compassionate but compassionate ground pays off as if ever there is a compassionate ground with your case then you are most likely to be granted is this true???

i get what you mean they can be mean but its just depends on who your case fall into...

best of luck and thanks again