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Here we go again. I've pointed out in other threads that "illegal immigrant" is used for hundreds of thousands of people in this country who have done nothing illegal. But it's a good lynch mob call to arms and works to whip up public frenzy. Politicians use the term because the gullible - like you - fall for the misleading impression it creates.however I do not support illegal immigrants
That's a perfectly reasonable preference. Except that there are some genuine cases. Very few of them. But they do exist. I agree that the benefit system is too lenient, too cumbersome, and not fair.I'd rather not increase the number of people who live on state benefits at the expense of those who work
Some people have one set of morals for others and a different one for themselves.One should obey the law of the land.
If you calculate overstayers, failed asylum seekers, illegal entrants and their children. Add legacy cases which stand at about 450,000 which majority of those cases would be more likely to be turned down because of the threshold required to be meet and change of circumstances after so many years waiting for decision some of them would have started family as well by the time they get round to deal with the case. So the number will be well over 1m. I think what is needed is to put all the facts on the table from both sides of arguments.Jing Wu wrote: "It is inconceivable that these people will all be deported, even in the wildest fantasies of the anti-immigration right. The Immigration Service has more than enough on its hands policing our borders and removing newly arrived failed asylum-seekers. To go round the country finding, detaining and then deporting up to half a million people who don't have regular status simply will not happen."
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A lot more people are become aware of the issue. Slowly but surely. Eventually people would have to discuss this issue. By the way there are about 67 Mp so far supporting the regularisation the number is small but will continue to increase. http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetai ... ESSION=885.Jing Wu wrote: I also agree that there aren't any sign of amnesty at this moment. The reason is quite obvious, no politician want to take risk because it's considered a plitical suiside. But hey, if everyone knows the great advantage about an amnesty, it wouldn't be long before we see the real action.
Of course the regularization of course will come with string attached like no serious criminal records, some sort of fine or penalties can be agree say £3000, No allowed to claim benefits for say 3 years or so. The details can be discussed and agreed.patrickmacgill wrote:Look I feel bad for these people and I agree they do need some sort of help. But during the course of my LEGAL immigration to the UK I will shell out the best part of 1800-2000 quid just for the right to live and work in the UK on a more permanent basis with my British wife. Why should anyone get a free pass and be allowed to avoid all of the bureaucratic and financial hassle I've dealt with?
Ditto except I am not married to a British citizen.patrickmacgill wrote:Look I feel bad for these people and I agree they do need some sort of help. But during the course of my LEGAL immigration to the UK I will shell out the best part of 1800-2000 quid just for the right to live and work in the UK on a more permanent basis with my British wife. Why should anyone get a free pass and be allowed to avoid all of the bureaucratic and financial hassle I've dealt with?
That's not an excuse for you becoming an illegal immigrant or is it?Jing Wu wrote: I have seen english people on benifit yet go to the bookie everyday.
Who is to be blamed for all this??? Do you mean people coming here illegally should be welcomed with a red carpet???Jing Wu wrote:I have seen a employer bully a illegal immigrant in real ; I have seen the sham marriage and been asked to do the same...... I have seen the real dark side of this society, but I still believe the justice exist, it's just that the politicians didn't bother to search a proper one for us all.
Well you are putting your case forward by giving examples which are in no way related to you becoming illegal or are they?Jing Wu wrote:It won't be you who put the carpet down to welcome us, that's for sure. But nobody asked you to welcome us, just like nobody welcomed you when you made your entrance clearence. I am not here to ask you to give me an education as though who should be blamed.olisun wrote:That's not an excuse for you becoming an illegal immigrant or is it?Jing Wu wrote: I have seen english people on benifit yet go to the bookie everyday.
Who is to be blamed for all this??? Do you mean people coming here illegally should be welcomed with a red carpet???Jing Wu wrote:I have seen a employer bully a illegal immigrant in real ; I have seen the sham marriage and been asked to do the same...... I have seen the real dark side of this society, but I still believe the justice exist, it's just that the politicians didn't bother to search a proper one for us all.
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Yeah, I don't buy the whole 'benefit scroungers' argument immigrants of all statuses use. At the end of the day everyone, even The Sun (we love it!) hates these people and want rid of them, and think the system is totally abused. We all dislike them so...olisun wrote:Well you are putting your case forward by giving examples which are in no way related to you becoming illegal or are they?Jing Wu wrote:It won't be you who put the carpet down to welcome us, that's for sure. But nobody asked you to welcome us, just like nobody welcomed you when you made your entrance clearence. I am not here to ask you to give me an education as though who should be blamed.olisun wrote:That's not an excuse for you becoming an illegal immigrant or is it?Jing Wu wrote: I have seen english people on benifit yet go to the bookie everyday.
Who is to be blamed for all this??? Do you mean people coming here illegally should be welcomed with a red carpet???Jing Wu wrote:I have seen a employer bully a illegal immigrant in real ; I have seen the sham marriage and been asked to do the same...... I have seen the real dark side of this society, but I still believe the justice exist, it's just that the politicians didn't bother to search a proper one for us all.
I think it's a very good website and I enjoyed communicating with most of the poeple here.
One of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard. Are you saying that "+/-£4000" it's a "high" price? It's peanuts! Or are you saying that because you've paid tax (?) illegals shouldn't be put on the system and be made to pay taxes too?But you must understand that on average most legal immigrants have paid +/- £4000 over five years, a very high price to live and work legally.
I don't believe he's making excuses. He may be pointing out the moral background. It's ironic that a country as morally bereft as this one, a country where the average person is more likely to talk to his neighbour than help him, a country where taking care of self takes precedence over any social, community, moral or even familial obligations... has such a large population of people preaching to others about not doing anything illegal. Even when many (admittedly not all) of those "illegal immigrants" have broken no law in becoming "illegal" (like children of asylum seekers).That's not an excuse for you becoming an illegal immigrant or is it?
Most undocumented migrants would be happy to do that. Give them a PAYE number and start collecting the installments. But it would be even better if you took some pride in paying for it yourself.Maybe you should pay for all my costs to became legal
Do grow up! The point is that it does not automatically follow that if someone is not documented they are paying less than the quoted £4,000.dont think you are the only person in the UK who is taxed at the top end
If I have done anything illegal to get into my current position I'd happily spend the rest of my life in jail. It is ignorance that causes many people see "illegal immigrant" and think someone who jumps the ferry at Calais i.e. intentionally breaks into the UK.in other words illgal
And have you made any attempts to sort out your status, like for e.g. going back home and sorting out your visa?OL7MAX wrote: If I have done anything illegal to get into my current position I'd happily spend the rest of my life in jail. It is ignorance that causes many people see "illegal immigrant" and think someone who jumps the ferry at Calais i.e. intentionally breaks into the UK.
Sorry didnt read the the thread so can you please cut and paste the summary here by what do you mean by "illegal immigrant" is used for hundreds of thousands of people in this country who have done nothing illegalOL7MAX wrote:
Here we go again. I've pointed out in other threads that "illegal immigrant" is used for hundreds of thousands of people in this country who have done nothing illegal. But it's a good lynch mob call to arms and works to whip up public frenzy. Politicians use the term because the gullible - like you - fall for the misleading impression it creates.
LOL, for lots of you people it really is very black and white, isn't it? You assume that any "illegal immigrant" can just go back if he wanted. Part of the problem with being undocumented is ...being undocumented.And have you made any attempts to sort out your status, like for e.g. going back home and sorting out your visa?