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fianna fail mate.cartaverde wrote:Ha. I guess I should not be surprised to see what the politicians are up to here.
Fionna Fail finds it important to educate the unborn Irish. (As long as they will be born to Irish parents)
This analysis is to low from a Legal executive!!!!!walrusgumble wrote:i
you all know that this "need to live in another eu country" is purely a policy issue and not law. it appears the minister is of the fear that many non eu nationals try to marry "on the rush" ie shame marriages in order to avoid the regular immigration proceedures. unfortunatley it appears to be the fear for failed asylum seekers or people who have been informed that deportation orders are being drafted. i feel sorry for the majority of people like yourselves. just hang in there.
one should note article 8 of european convention on human rihts which prohibits state interference ( a right to a persons family and private life) however article 8.2 provides certain derrogations eg public policy, security etc. many eu case law show that the eu and its convention cant prevent a state from having some discretion in their immigration policies. (reasons set out in 8.2) however the persons intersts must not overweigh the states interests.
That is very Easy for a national to say but unfortunately most of us are already at our wits end or nearing the end of our wit wether or not it is a Policy issue or not doesnt mean a Damn to me its a policy that is ruining peoples lives and desire to live in your beautiful country, I sincerely hope you never have to go through half of what most of us have had to with the Department of Injustice Inequality and Law bending.walrusgumble wrote:
you all know that this "need to live in another eu country" is purely a policy issue and not law. it appears the minister is of the fear that many non eu nationals try to marry "on the rush" ie shame marriages in order to avoid the regular immigration proceedures. unfortunatley it appears to be the fear for failed asylum seekers or people who have been informed that deportation orders are being drafted. i feel sorry for the majority of people like yourselves. just hang in there.
one should note article 8 of european convention on human rihts which prohibits state interference ( a right to a persons family and private life) however article 8.2 provides certain derrogations eg public policy, security etc. many eu case law show that the eu and its convention cant prevent a state from having some discretion in their immigration policies. (reasons set out in 8.2) however the persons intersts must not overweigh the states interests.
those are great Birdy... the recipes, thanks.Birdy wrote:Unfortunately as Walrus said it is policy and in our situation we are just numbers and names on pieces of paper they cannot understand or deal with us in a manner that is personal.
As for the dearly beloved nature of Potatoes im not sure but i can tell you this at least once a week i have some kind of dearly beloved comment from Irish nationals in reference to me English.
http://www.cooks.com/rec/ch/potatoes.html
And, yes, he is telling us just to told on and wait, which, obviously, most of us don't want to hear. And yet, what are we doing at the moment? Holding on and waiting.the major problem lies in the understaffed, bad facilites and structure. look how long for instance it took the refugee act 1996 to come into effect (2000).
the dept finally got their act together by making a separate site for immigration issues. funny how these things are done near elections. it time for bodies supporting immigration issues and lawyers to demand a separate ministry for immigration issues.
as a national, i assure you, immigration is not the only area where all civil servants and governments have been late dealing with. we irish are not as prompt putting eu directives into effect, check out many eu case law.
Birdy wrote: http://www.cooks.com/rec/ch/potatoes.html
Let's also not forget that when the new countries joined the EU a couple of years ago, Ireland was among one of the few countries who allowed citizens of the new members in without restrictions.