The decision might chnage this and after 2 years from now you might be laughing sitting in ur home remembering all our crazy conversations andBirdy wrote:Already have my refusal
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Platinum wrote:Says it all, really.
Irish Times Article:
IFergus McCafferty, former principal officer in charge
of economic immigration at the Department of
Enterprise, Trade and Employment, said: "In all my
years as a civil servant, I never worked in a place
that was such a horrific mess."
There is no justification for not been proactive in their administration.Stemming down immigration should not be done at the expense of the EU Directive.scrudu wrote:As for proving your relationship before you get here. Yes, but I'm guessing that now that as a Spousal Visa application for non-EU spouses of EU (not Irish) citizens, is now quite similar to a Tourist Visa, i.e. it does not afford residence rights (only the initial 3 months), nor does it allow the holder to work. Only the EU1 form can do this. So instead of verifying your relationship properly before you get here, they do it at the EU1 application stage
That said, I do still feel it is simply the DoJ's method of attempting to stem the flow of migrants. Quite simply to make it hard so only a certain few will make it through
Are they saying that there are 12,000 chinese ''students'' here legally?There must also be as many Mauritian ''students'' as the Poles as well!3-DAY FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES CELEBRATES MODERN IRELAND
63,000 Polish, 24,000 Lithuanians, 17,000 Nigerians,
12,000 Chinese, 112,000 British
1 out of 10 people living in Ireland born overseas
IRELAND 2007
Truly a nation of World Cultures
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council presents
FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES
Dún Laoghaire
24, 25, 26 August 2007
www.festivalofworldcultures.com
Birdy wrote:Well thats it Guys I met with some friends last night and i officially lost it a relatively innocent comment and i went on a full scale red face RANT and ended up apologising to about fifteen people.
Dropped my wife off at the Airport his morning
i feel sorry for ye.but as for the student issue, i wont comment on how many students are actually attending courses in college or in a recognised course but,if they are "students" they have to prove before they come to study, to have paid about €6k for years course, and then prove they have the money for the next year. then prove they have sufficent money to cover their health and insurance. they also have to prove they have sufficent english and they are only given visa on the condition that they leave the state after college. soif they stay longer than that without returning home changing their status to return, then legally they have no entitlement to be here. (its harshbut that is the way it is) there is no basis for them to change their status if they marry in this state whilst studying here. so there are controls with regard to students.visa will be revoked if and when it is found that they fail to attend 80% of their classes. and if they were trying to naturlaise here in a few years time, the period as students will not be counted as reckonable residence.archigabe wrote:According to the press release of the Festival of World Cultures,
Are they saying that there are 12,000 chinese ''students'' here legally?There must also be as many Mauritian ''students'' as the Poles as well!3-DAY FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES CELEBRATES MODERN IRELAND
63,000 Polish, 24,000 Lithuanians, 17,000 Nigerians,
12,000 Chinese, 112,000 British
1 out of 10 people living in Ireland born overseas
IRELAND 2007
Truly a nation of World Cultures
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council presents
FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES
Dún Laoghaire
24, 25, 26 August 2007
www.festivalofworldcultures.com
If they let so many in without any controls, why are they giving us so many problems, when we havent even broken any laws and when all we want are our rights recognized by E.U treaties ?
Another thing we would have to watch closely is Merkel's lobbying of the new E.U constitution/treaty which can have a say on which issues the local government have absolute discretion over.
Think again what you have written.walrusgumble wrote:they also have to prove they have sufficent english and they are only given visa on the condition that they leave the state after college. soif they stay longer than that without returning home changing their status to return, then legally they have no entitlement to be here. .archigabe wrote:According to the press release of the Festival of World Cultures,
Are they saying that there are 12,000 chinese ''students'' here legally?There must also be as many Mauritian ''students'' as the Poles as well!3-DAY FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES CELEBRATES MODERN IRELAND
63,000 Polish, 24,000 Lithuanians, 17,000 Nigerians,
12,000 Chinese, 112,000 British
1 out of 10 people living in Ireland born overseas
IRELAND 2007
Truly a nation of World Cultures
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council presents
FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES
Dún Laoghaire
24, 25, 26 August 2007
www.festivalofworldcultures.com
If they let so many in without any controls, why are they giving us so many problems, when we havent even broken any laws and when all we want are our rights recognized by E.U treaties ?
Another thing we would have to watch closely is Merkel's lobbying of the new E.U constitution/treaty which can have a say on which issues the local government have absolute discretion over.
yes runie, i know, you are correct. all of the 4 areas are in reality very much the case with regard to certain categories of students. i take your point on the student issue absolutley, .not all students are like that, but of course the "student" visa is a very good example of how the immigration procedures are abused. i find it remarkable from speaking to certain "students" of the category you stated and how they genuinely believed that they have the right to open business and work full time, yet still some how manage to pack in "a full time course of study" it is up to the gardai and gnib to catch them, and when they do they do get deported (ok ok about 10% of the time) as for the colleges and governments attitude, i am sorry to say, it appears that theydo not give a toss so long as they get the students money.runie80 wrote:Think again what you have written.walrusgumble wrote:they also have to prove they have sufficent english and they are only given visa on the condition that they leave the state after college. soif they stay longer than that without returning home changing their status to return, then legally they have no entitlement to be here. .archigabe wrote:According to the press release of the Festival of World Cultures,
Are they saying that there are 12,000 chinese ''students'' here legally?There must also be as many Mauritian ''students'' as the Poles as well!3-DAY FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES CELEBRATES MODERN IRELAND
63,000 Polish, 24,000 Lithuanians, 17,000 Nigerians,
12,000 Chinese, 112,000 British
1 out of 10 people living in Ireland born overseas
IRELAND 2007
Truly a nation of World Cultures
Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council presents
FESTIVAL OF WORLD CULTURES
Dún Laoghaire
24, 25, 26 August 2007
www.festivalofworldcultures.com
If they let so many in without any controls, why are they giving us so many problems, when we havent even broken any laws and when all we want are our rights recognized by E.U treaties ?
Another thing we would have to watch closely is Merkel's lobbying of the new E.U constitution/treaty which can have a say on which issues the local government have absolute discretion over.
Do chinese people know english ?
Have they gone back ?
Are they working here full time ?
have they opened business here ?
All what you stated is correct "virtually" not in reality
runie80 wrote:I suggest you go and attend a Seminar done by the colleges in
china,bangladesh,pakistan,india & etc ect
They promise the world to them u have no Idea whats been told in those seminars.The success is promised and they are told that they will be settled
college will find employment for them etc etc heath care , accomodation and internship opertunities and etc etc and when they land here they are ABUSED used by people as cheap labour and etc etc
I wish you have attended one of them my friend and you would think 180 degrees from what you think now !
It all sounds good but this business is lot more deep and you ahve no idea who is involved in all this and where the money is going loads of brown envelops