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Is it just me, or this is phrased in a "funny" way? I know it is the textual quote on the Jia case, but the part "Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit ...subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State" sounds a bit ambiguous to me. It doesn't seem too definite, it's like: It's not an European requirement, but a Member State may ask for that......Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit to nationals of a non-Member State, who are members of the family of a Community national who has exercised his or her right of free movement, subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State.
The text is correctly worded.Flor_mz wrote:Is it just me, or this is phrased in a "funny" way? I know it is the textual quote on the Jia case, but the part "Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit ...subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State" sounds a bit ambiguous to me. It doesn't seem too definite, it's like: It's not an European requirement, but a Member State may ask for that......Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit to nationals of a non-Member State, who are members of the family of a Community national who has exercised his or her right of free movement, subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State.
What I'm saying probably doesn't make any sense, but I just think is not phrased in a very "straight forward" style... Does anyone else agree?
thanks for the insight florencia...I agree with you, and I would feel more comfortable if the statement were to say ''Community law requires Member States do not make the grant of a residence permit to nationals of a non-Member State, who are members of the family of a Community national who has exercised his or her right of free movement subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State''Flor_mz wrote:Is it just me, or this is phrased in a "funny" way? I know it is the textual quote on the Jia case, but the part "Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit ...subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State" sounds a bit ambiguous to me. It doesn't seem too definite, it's like: It's not an European requirement, but a Member State may ask for that......Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit to nationals of a non-Member State, who are members of the family of a Community national who has exercised his or her right of free movement, subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State.
What I'm saying probably doesn't make any sense, but I just think is not phrased in a very "straight forward" style... Does anyone else agree?
The original judgement is written in swedish and seems to be badly translated into this english.Flor_mz wrote:Is it just me, or this is phrased in a "funny" way? I know it is the textual quote on the Jia case, but the part "Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit ...subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State" sounds a bit ambiguous to me. It doesn't seem too definite, it's like: It's not an European requirement, but a Member State may ask for that......Community law does not require Member States to make the grant of a residence permit to nationals of a non-Member State, who are members of the family of a Community national who has exercised his or her right of free movement, subject to the condition that those family members have previously been residing lawfully in another Member State.
What I'm saying probably doesn't make any sense, but I just think is not phrased in a very "straight forward" style... Does anyone else agree?
Even though the lawyer for the Kumar case is going to the Supreme Court, I dont think we can expect anything positive from the case.Apparently he had been illegally living in Britain and Belgium and deported. It's really annoying the DOJ is classifying everyone in the same category even though we have a straight history to conveniently refuse residency rights.runie80 wrote:Again i agree with brownbono here
The kumar case cannot be relied on as its details have not been made public.
Lets see when this Deadlock Breaks.
dsab85 wrote:I am not sure why so many people see the Jia case as important in the context of our situation.
As far as I understand the Jia Case was about the residence permit for a non-eu parent of a non-eu spouse (who was legally resident in Sweden due to being married to a german citizen). I am not a legal expert, but that's a completely different situation to ours.
Yes,since you are not a legal expert.Certains things should be accepted ----hook and linen.Otherwise we will be running around in a circle.dsab85 wrote:I am not sure why so many people see the Jia case as important in the context of our situation.
As far as I understand the Jia Case was about the residence permit for a non-eu parent of a non-eu spouse (who was legally resident in Sweden due to being married to a german citizen). I am not a legal expert, but that's a completely different situation to ours.