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askmeplz82 wrote:On 3 August 2010, over 100 detainees went on hunger strike in protest at being held for up to three years "no prospect of removal or any evidence of future release".
Comment: The case that tells us what kind of country Britain is wrote:Detention centres were not meant to imprison people. They were meant to facilitate deportation in cases where they were specifically required. Now they have grown, unspoken, in the background, a shameful demonstration of the values and priorities of modern Britain.
When he became immigration minister in 2008, Liam Byrne immediately ordered a huge expansion of the programme, forcing through 1,500 additional places. Asylum seekers would now be locked up upon arrival in the country.
These are the most vulnerable people in the world. They are the people gullible enough to believe the dreamy rhetoric about Britain's role as a power for freedom and justice. The face they meet when they arrive is a different one altogether.
Some of them will be f ake, although declining application rates combined with soaring appeal rates suggest that is relatively unusual.
Specifically on this point - yes they are life peers, but they can be sanctioned in the same ways as MPs if they mislead the house.Obie wrote: These peers are unelected. They can say anything they like. They are life peers.
Interesting he only claimed asylum after his Visit visa expired....MPH80 wrote:http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2013/1561.htm
That is the nov 19th judgement.
Apparently permission for a JR hearing has been granted.
54 wrote:In fact, we were addressed by counsel for both the appellant and the respondent on the basis of the further developments which have taken place since the hearing before Ouseley J. last week. These may be summarised as follows.
(1) A further medical report by Dr. Hartree, instructed on behalf of the appellant, and dated 20 November 2013 reports that on her visit to the appellant on 19 November she found him weak and dangerously malnourished. She considered that he was probably mildly dehydrated, but less so than during her previous visit. She considered that this probably reflected the fact that he had been motivated to drink more water. His weight loss had continued and he had now lost 35% of his body weight. He was at high risk of complications or collapse from malnutrition although it was not possible to predict a timescale of survival. His cognition appeared adequate and he was able to understand and retain information. However, she was concerned that his judgement may be clouded by the effects of starvation. She considered that he was physically unfit to fly, as he is physically so debilitated that he would be at risk of collapse in flight. It would be difficult for him to tolerate the prolonged upright posture and reduced Spam pressure of the flight and these could precipitate an abrupt deterioration. There was also a risk of deep vein thrombosis which in his case would be life threatening. She went on to state:
"Mr. [M] is so malnourished that even if he accepted hospital treatment and re-feeding, I estimate that he would need a few weeks at least, perhaps several weeks, of re-feeding and rest before he would be well enough to travel"
(2) A medical report by Dr. Macfarlane, dated 21 November 2013 states:
"Mr. [M] is able to walk unaided and appears well hydrated. He admits to taking small amounts of water to help with keeping his mouth and throat hydrated. His appearance is consistent in my opinion of someone who is currently keeping hydrated, even if refusing food. I would estimate that even if he were to start refusing fluid (for example after learning of his impending removal) that this assessment would still hold for a further 7 days from that time, unless healthcare HW identify any new issues."
Dr. Macfarlane considered that the appellant is currently fit for flight and travel.
"Mr. [M] is currently fit for flight and travel. His condition should not be affected adversely by altitude. There are no contraindications to the use of control and restraint techniques from a medical viewpoint. Mr [M] would be suitable for a scheduled flight accompanied by a paramedic trained medical escort with iv access competency."
(3) In a separate development the Nigerian High Commission has stated that
it will produce on Tuesday 26 November travel documentation for the appellant.
(4) On Sunday 24 November the appellant was served with removal directions for Wednesday 27 November 2013.
55 wrote:There are clearly differences of opinion between the two doctors who have recently seen the appellant, in particular as to his fitness to fly. However, the lawfulness of the removal directions is not an issue before this court and I should not be taken to express any view on that issue. For present purposes, it is clearly significant that, in Dr. Hartree's view, if the appellant were now to accept treatment and re-feeding he would be well enough to fly in "a few" or "several" weeks. Accordingly, I do not consider that this is a case in which it could be said that, as matters presently stand, if the appellant changed his mind, his state of health is such that there would be no reasonable prospect of removal within a reasonable period of time.
You seems to hunt for just negative news about Nigerians you can do that for any nationality. If you wanted you could also find positive news. Like Britain Brainiest family is from Nigerian extractions. They have 5 children all of them broke most records of achievement in education at their age group and their father have already made immense contribution in academics sphere. If you have children or you are in University or school you can also learn a thing or two about how to smash records. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVl0KtUlvQo, or http://imafidons.com/blog. Many British family have benefit from their inputs. Or biggest ebay seller http://sellersphere.ebay.co.uk/post/283. These are just two examples.UKBA HUNTER wrote:During the above/previous discussions, worth watching the following video as how 1st lying then swearing for asylum and then keep continue discussion again, its funny too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAuAtscuyy8
Decency seems to have prevail for now. They way any Government deals with the disfranchised, marginalised, the poor, the outcasts, the strangers, the old, sick, disables and most vulnerable reflect back to that government and the society at large. And in time the same treatment will spread to the whole society.peppekalle wrote:He will not be removed again pending a judicial review
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013 ... re-time-uk
So everyone who have different opinion from yours is of same ethnicity? Is that what you reduce all different opinions to?UKBA HUNTER wrote:In my previous posts i clearly written that only same ethnicity people are writing here in or protesting in favor otherwise wherever someone read about this heinous act everybody is commenting underneath of the news page including the British or non British society. Unfortunately there is no good news from this ethnicity and only can find if searched/researched. Try to observe one thing that the video i quoted above the man claim is bit near to this present case and very clearly give sense that these acts they already prepared for from their back homes although the actor skill differ. Anyhow now is eating and drinking.
My real point is that they can relate and see big picture. It is just some of them got influence and they have decide to use it to counter might government power.UKBA HUNTER wrote:I am afraid to respond any further to you along with more links and sources for especially of your question about celebrity, actors and politicians with majority of people including shining personalities as what they say about it after taking into consideration the warning from Obie.
Seneca - Your post implies that if you are on the other side of this argument (e.g. the don't release side) then you aren't feeling any sympathy nor having empathy for people in those circumstances.Seneca wrote: Hope you will reflect more on these concepts of humanity, difficulties, what is like to be ill, sufferings, empathy, poverty, freedom, democracy and human rights in the future. They don't belong to any particular ethnicity. They belong to the world.
That comments about sympathy was mainly directed to My UKBAHunter. Especially when he say the Isa Muazu is looking for sympathy and is coward.MPH80 wrote: Seneca - Your post implies that if you are on the other side of this argument (e.g. the don't release side) then you aren't feeling any sympathy nor having empathy for people in those circumstances.
I have a lot of sympathy and empathy - but I do not believe that those feelings justify ignoring our legal process or the determinations of our courts of law.
The courts have found multiple times that the government have the right to detain him either in the immigration centre or in a hospital. The courts have found multiple times that he has the cognitive function and understanding to choose to refuse treatment. The courts have found multiple times that the government has offered him treatment.
It has been his choice to refuse food, to selectively take fluid (having read the judgements I'm not going to use the word 'refuse' any more as it's clear he has taken fluid on a semi-regular basis), and to refuse treatment.
The legal process has taken (and continues to) take place. The judges ARE our checks and balances.
I feel for this man that he feels he needs to put himself in this position - but it does not change the basic facts here:
1) He has been an illegal overstayer
2) His asylum claim has been refused
3) He is therefore subject to removal
Now - the JR might change point 2 - which is fine - but his legal team could have put that submission in any time in the last 100 days.
It is not through the government action that this man may die. It is through his own.
M.