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Firstly - thank you for the complement - I've tried to strike a balance through a genuine interest in the case and tried to make sure my own bias does not prevent me from objectively reading the rulings and the press.Seneca wrote: Now Back to Muazu, He is mental and physical ILL. He is in no position to make rational choice. Then the question is how should we treat him now, today? That question has already been decided today by relevant authorities, they have done the right thing.
Well - ok ... let's remove the hyperbole from this.Obie wrote:I think we all need to sit and take a long deep breath, and get some sense of perspective on this matter. The issue here is not about who won or who lost. If that was the case, then we all won. I dont believe any one here want Mr Muaza to die, I just think we all have a different way of achieving it. This is about the life of a man who has been kept in detention for a long period. He has committed no crime to be in detention.
His jailer knew for over 3 months that he was on hunger strike,nevertheless, they did nothing to speed up his removal, rather allowed his health to deteriorate. Now that he is at death's door, they are seeking to remove him. This cannot be right.
Muaza has the right to stand his ground. He has the right to demand his jailers set him free. He has the right to demand hospital treatment as a free man.
Imagine the indignity of being in an hospital in handcuff, under guards,;people looking at you as criminals, when you only offense is coming to the UK to seek refuge, seeking a bettet life for oneself and family.
Mr Muaza has the right to stand his ground , against being subjected to such indignity.
One final time - he has brought it on himself.Obie wrote: His plight is truely disheartening. No normal thinking person will not help but empathising with him.
Ok - I'm calling Godwin's Law and I'll take a break from these forums for a while.Obie wrote:UKBA detention camp feel more like a concentration camp these day, no one would wish it on their worst enemy.
Well your question has been answered by the fact that permission to Judicial Review has been granted. Permission can only be granted if a case has merit,, and it is arguable.Wanderer wrote:Let's take a pragmatic view, aside from the Hunger strike, does this man have a valid claim to asylum and should he be allowed to stay?
I have no idea, on the basics of what I have read, he doesn't, but lets argue that point first?
Convince me.
I don't know... This is obviously very emotional and has perhaps become very politicized.Obie wrote: The fact that Mr Muaza has obtained this,, indicates that there is an arguable convention breach challenge.
An arguable case does not mean a bound to succeed case. It simply mean their are substance in the case, something that merits a court time and resources.ouflak1 wrote:I don't know... This is obviously very emotional and has perhaps become very politicized.Obie wrote: The fact that Mr Muaza has obtained this,, indicates that there is an arguable convention breach challenge.
But let's say you're right. What do you think? ILR in 6 years? Citizenship in 7? Maybe he will post on here and ask.
Even if he fails, he is not going anywhere. All he has to do is not eat, and the UK has to keep him. It's the 'humane' thing to do, right? If they wait a couple of years and try again to deport him, he'll just starve himself again and that will be the end of those proceedings. It will just be a matter of time before he qualifies for some type of stay and eventually ILR and citizenship.Obie wrote: An arguable case does not mean a bound to succeed case. It simply mean their are substance in the case, something that merits a court time and resources.
It does not mean an automatic success, and I was never suggesting that.
Not if the JR overturns his previous rulings on Asylum and it's granted. Even if they don't approve it this time, all he has to do is keep starving himself anytime deportation looms, maybe get another JR, or claim some kind of exceptional private life due to longevity in the UK, or whatever. I honestly don't see why he can't keep that up indefinitely as long as he's willing to go the hunger strike route.Obie wrote:The above is purely of your making.
What are you trying to achieve Ayyubi72 ???? your comments are really repellant and make me feel sick , we've come to this forum seeking help and advice , not to receive such loathsome commentsAyyubi72 wrote:Not about this particular case, but generally about majority of asylum seekers, I wonder how many so called people fleeing persecution utilise the international catapult in their countries. These catapults are capable of launching these people into sky and delivering them straight into United Kindgdom thousands of miles. Well not many people utilise these catapults.
They go to Iran, then to Turkey, then Enter an EU country called Greece. But guess what, after saving their life from persecution they do not feel relieved. They carry on to the next country to the next to the next until they end up in France. Now you see even in France their lives are not safe. In France their are death squads that go hunting for these people, and shoot them dead on sight.
So these poor guys "fleeing persecution" jump onto trucks bound for UK. These people know that in UK, lunatic left wing do gooders army is ready and waiting to fight for them and ensure they are not returned to the countries they left because of "persecution".
PS: This is one of the typical routes. There are other routes these poor people take. Thailand, bad quality passport to and EU country, France - UK, and many other combinations.
Hunger strike is not easy option, you might die in the process or the process of hunger striking might affect your health forever.ouflak1 wrote:. I honestly don't see why he can't keep that up indefinitely as long as he's willing to go the hunger strike route.
I agree completely. Anybody who is willing to starve themselves for 20 years to avoid deportation is ok by me to stay in the UK for the rest of their life and become a citizen!Seneca wrote: Hunger strike is not easy option, you might die in the process or the process of hunger striking might affect your health forever.
If he somehow qualify through longevity, after 20 years of struggles i will say fair play to me.
Consultant psychiatrist Dr David Bell said Mr Muazu's "self-starvation" arose from "disturbed beliefs" that formed part of his mental disorder.
The doctor, who was instructed by the Nigerian's lawyers, said it should not be described as a "hunger strike".
Isa Muazu case refused by Court of Appeal. That's it. No avenues left. He'll be deported tonight.