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Thanks respected guru!! Thats a really nice guidance and it clarifies the resources bit. Obviously after reading it carefully its a pretty straight forward thingy.sheraz7 wrote:Do not be confused from the UKBA team reply which has actually been taken from Guidance - Bulgarian and Romanian casework - yellow registration certificate - version 3.0 (page 35-37).
For other EEA national refer the following guideline and read carefully the Assessing sufficient resources (page 31-33)
The EEA national doesn't need to be working. It is just that he needs to have some resources (savings for example) initially. He can't totally rely on the non EEA income from day 1 (if the only reason the non EEA can work is because of the EEA self sufficiency status).nemerkh wrote:sheraz7 wrote:Its the debate of egg/chicken that the eu natiknal should have been working and then supported by te family memeber ie noneu.
Jambo wrote:nemerkh wrote:The EEA national doesn't need to be working. It is just that he needs to have some resources (savings for example) initially. He can't totally rely on the non EEA income from day 1 (if the only reason the non EEA can work is because of the EEA self sufficiency status).sheraz7 wrote:Its the debate of egg/chicken that the eu natiknal should have been working and then supported by te family memeber ie noneu.
As most people moving to a new country would have some sort of savings, this is more an academic discussion than a real problem.
But if the EU national has genuinely access to non-EU national funds then obviously EU national will always have some resources (saving) to show and be self sufficient. Is not it?Jambo wrote: The EEA national doesn't need to be working. It is just that he needs to have some resources (savings for example) initially. He can't totally rely on the non EEA income from day 1 (if the only reason the non EEA can work is because of the EEA self sufficiency status).
As most people moving to a new country would have some sort of savings, this is more an academic discussion than a real problem.
Universal soldier wrote:But if the EU national has genuinely access to non-EU national funds then obviously EU national will always have some resources (saving) to show and be self sufficient. Is not it?Jambo wrote: The EEA national doesn't need to be working. It is just that he needs to have some resources (savings for example) initially. He can't totally rely on the non EEA income from day 1 (if the only reason the non EEA can work is because of the EEA self sufficiency status).
As most people moving to a new country would have some sort of savings, this is more an academic discussion than a real problem.
how about for example at the time of EEA2 RC the non-eu national was on tier 1 visa which allow working and EU national was self sufficient on the basis of those legal funds from non-EU national employment. Then non-eu national got EEA2 RC and his tier 1 visa expired but carrying on employment with EEA2 RC. But all 5 years spent afterwards that EU national get support from non-eu national employment funds who is now on EEA2 RC. Then in this case initially the EU national was self sufficient on legal funds when non-eu national has legal visa under immigration rules.askmeplz82 wrote:Universal soldier wrote:But if the EU national has genuinely access to non-EU national funds then obviously EU national will always have some resources (saving) to show and be self sufficient. Is not it?Jambo wrote: The EEA national doesn't need to be working. It is just that he needs to have some resources (savings for example) initially. He can't totally rely on the non EEA income from day 1 (if the only reason the non EEA can work is because of the EEA self sufficiency status).
As most people moving to a new country would have some sort of savings, this is more an academic discussion than a real problem.
No one disagree with that. It's just source of funds. If it's from legal income before EEA national become self sufficient then of course it's valid.
Is there any specific amount which can be considered as having sufficient resources?Obie wrote:UKBA will need to be showed the source of the Self-Sufficiency.
If it came from a non- EEA national without a right of residence, that may be considered illegal.
My friend's application for a residence card on the basis of having sufficient resources got refused. He is married to an EU national working legally in the UK and have child from the EU national. They had more than £10,000 in their account and my friend had £20,000 in his separate account. They also had comprehensive sickness insurance.The Home Office refused on the ground that they should have had £35,000 in their account. Hard to understand how the Home Office could arrive at such a figure.sheraz7 wrote:I believe the UKBA team has given the reply based on the Romanian and Bulgarian nationals who and their family members are under restriction for employment purposes.
I do not think doing employment/self employment is always necessary because an EEA national can still become self sufficient even on the savings/accumulated funds of non-EU family members and for that purposes its access for EU national must be demonstrated.
If you are economically self-sufficient:
you need to supply evidence of comprehensive
sickness insurance for yourself and any family members included in your application. You Guidance for Making an EEA Application (Version 08/2013) - Page 3 of 8
also need to supply evidence of funds sufficient to maintain yourself and any family members
included in your application during the time you intend to reside on this basis. These funds can
come from the employment or self-employment of any of your family members legally working
and residing in the UK with you.
Documentary evidence of their employment or funds should
be supplied.
I dont know what are their calculations in terms of self sufficient, We got our EEA1 and 2 in less than 2 months including xmas holidays. We submitted,Raj5 wrote:My friend's application for a residence card on the basis of having sufficient resources got refused. He is married to an EU national working legally in the UK and have child from the EU national. They had more than £10,000 in their account and my friend had £20,000 in his separate account. They also had comprehensive sickness insurance.The Home Office refused on the ground that they should have had £35,000 in their account. Hard to understand how the Home Office could arrive at such a figure.sheraz7 wrote:I believe the UKBA team has given the reply based on the Romanian and Bulgarian nationals who and their family members are under restriction for employment purposes.
I do not think doing employment/self employment is always necessary because an EEA national can still become self sufficient even on the savings/accumulated funds of non-EU family members and for that purposes its access for EU national must be demonstrated.
If you are economically self-sufficient:
you need to supply evidence of comprehensive
sickness insurance for yourself and any family members included in your application. You Guidance for Making an EEA Application (Version 08/2013) - Page 3 of 8
also need to supply evidence of funds sufficient to maintain yourself and any family members
included in your application during the time you intend to reside on this basis. These funds can
come from the employment or self-employment of any of your family members legally working
and residing in the UK with you.
Documentary evidence of their employment or funds should
be supplied.
Under EU route applications where the EU national is self sufficient, there is no fixed limit/threshold of the funds be possessed as long as EU national and its family members living without claiming the public funds. Therefore, i believe it could be the result of the lack of knowledge of the caseworker who does not know that setting any limit/threshold under directive is unfair. Asking reconsideration by outlining the relevant EU law in this regard would be wise.Raj5 wrote:My friend's application for a residence card on the basis of having sufficient resources got refused. He is married to an EU national working legally in the UK and have child from the EU national. They had more than £10,000 in their account and my friend had £20,000 in his separate account. They also had comprehensive sickness insurance.The Home Office refused on the ground that they should have had £35,000 in their account. Hard to understand how the Home Office could arrive at such a figure.sheraz7 wrote:I believe the UKBA team has given the reply based on the Romanian and Bulgarian nationals who and their family members are under restriction for employment purposes.
I do not think doing employment/self employment is always necessary because an EEA national can still become self sufficient even on the savings/accumulated funds of non-EU family members and for that purposes its access for EU national must be demonstrated.
If you are economically self-sufficient:
you need to supply evidence of comprehensive
sickness insurance for yourself and any family members included in your application. You Guidance for Making an EEA Application (Version 08/2013) - Page 3 of 8
also need to supply evidence of funds sufficient to maintain yourself and any family members
included in your application during the time you intend to reside on this basis. These funds can
come from the employment or self-employment of any of your family members legally working
and residing in the UK with you.
Documentary evidence of their employment or funds should
be supplied.
how much income should be which will be above means tested benefits??askmeplz82 wrote:[
Are you self-sufficient?
To show you're self-sufficient you should be able to show that your income is above the maximum amounts needed to claim means-tested benefits.
Kindly refrain from digging up old threads and cluttering the current topics in the forum. Also please desist from posting your circumstances in any topic you find. Continue in your own thread/topic.tmonaghan wrote:I mean I know this post is old but still relevant.
My EEA partner is self-sufficient through my financial support since January 2015 and I will be submitting his application for a Registration Certificate supported by the following Case Law
Supported Case Law - EC Case Law C-408/03 has the aim to demonstrate that although Self-Sufficient Nationals need to prove that they have the necessary resources to avoid becoming a burden on social assistance system of that state during the period of residence; The Court observed that, under the very terms of the Directive, it is sufficient for the nationals of Member States to “have” the necessary resources and that this provision lays down no requirement whatsoever as to their “origin”. (para 40) and that the necessary financial resources can be provided by a family member and that the family member could be a citizen of the host Member State (para 42, 51).
March 2006 http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_service/a ... 408_en.pdf
C-408/03 Commission v Belgium, supported by the United Kingdom, judgment of 23rd March 2006 - Right of residence for Union citizens – Sufficient resources – Orders to leave the territory
There should not be any discrimination between EEA and NON EEA as to the source of the financial support as long as both are not abusing their rights to be present in the UK under EU Law.