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A Simple Answer to your Questions :walrusgumble wrote:a 2 simple questions here so please do not attack, simply answer
does any other eu country allow non eu people, who are in that country but who is not legally entitled do reside there (and possibly had been informed of a proposal to deport them,) and during the time in that country marry an eu citizen (even if it is genuine), entitled to stay on the basis of marraige to that eu person, despite the fact they are not entitled to be there in the first place?
is family reunification suppose to be where an eu national go to another country, then try and bring theIR family (marriage to someone before immigrating?
runie80 wrote:walrusgumble
I normally do not reply to any threads started by you though i would like to.
I feel your character is very provocative.You are just challenging people with all the negativity you have inside you which i am sure is a hinderance to your own success in life.
I would like to answer you all questions on this website less stupid one and more stupid ones.The problem is that i dont have time for engaging with people like you.
Only responding to this post as its posted in the thread i started.I dont like people with Negativity and you are full of it.[/b]
its was a question that i have heard pouting around after friends of mine have shown me their ministerial replies to applications on the basis of marriage, pre eu1 form. i am not prophesing to actually now the law! any way you are bright enough to realise what the policy of the doj in the eu1 form situation really means. so try tell THEM that.brownbonno wrote:Its very sad that people are prophesing what they know little or nothing about.Marriage of an EU citizen to non EU and applying for a residence permit has got nothing to do with legal or Illegal of the non EU.
the popular Belgium case and the European Commission v Spain: C-157/03 expressely state-
''EUROPEAN COMMUNITY - COMMISSION - FAILURE OF MEMBER STATE TO FULFIL OBLIGATIONS - GRANT OF RESIDENCE PERMIT TO THIRD-PARTY NATIONALS WHO WERE FAMILY MEMBERS OF COMMUNITY NATIONAL WHO HAD EXERCISED RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT - RESPONDENT REQUIRING RESIDENCE VISA AS PREREQUISITE OF SUBSEQUENT PROCEDURE FOR ISSUE OF RESIDENCE PERMIT - FAILURE TO TRANSPOSE PROVISIONS OF RELEVANT DIRECTIVES INTO NATIONAL LAW - COUNCIL DIRECTIVES (EEC) 68/360, 73/148, 90/365, 64/221''
A Simple Answer to your Questions :Sahil wrote:walrusgumble wrote:a 2 simple questions here so please do not attack, simply answer
does any other eu country allow non eu people, who are in that country but who is not legally entitled do reside there (and possibly had been informed of a proposal to deport them,) and during the time in that country marry an eu citizen (even if it is genuine), entitled to stay on the basis of marraige to that eu person, despite the fact they are not entitled to be there in the first place?
is family reunification suppose to be where an eu national go to another country, then try and bring theIR family (marriage to someone before immigrating?
Walrusgumble,without going into details.The Jia case gives a clear defeat to the DoJ ''live in other EU state'' requirement.walrusgumble wrote:Sahil wrote:A Simple Answer to your Questions :walrusgumble wrote:a 2 simple questions here so please do not attack, simply answer
does any other eu country allow non eu people, who are in that country but who is not legally entitled do reside there (and possibly had been informed of a proposal to deport them,) and during the time in that country marry an eu citizen (even if it is genuine), entitled to stay on the basis of marraige to that eu person, despite the fact they are not entitled to be there in the first place?
is family reunification suppose to be where an eu national go to another country, then try and bring theIR family (marriage to someone before immigrating?
1. Please give any link of any website where we all can read the rule that if you (NonNational) Marry to an EU and you r not legally residing in the state prior to Marriage, you won't be eligible to get the Residancy Card ?
the department of justice website - form eu1 policy. saying you need to have been in another eu state
denamark have similar stance on this issue. brownmonno you are good for getting cases, has eu ruled against them. as for that case, it seems from the facts that the eu spouse already had married then went to excerice powers of free movement to another eu state
you have a problem with how long it takes, go to the high court seek judicial review and an order for mandamus.
could you Please tell me when the Web site of Deparment of IN-Justice was updated.... i guess you don;t know,..... let me tell you ..... it was updated on 28th APRIL 2007 and i filed my Application on JULY' 2006 .... so i didn;t have any Fu*kin Info about changing of Law by Irish Authorities. why DOJ hadn;t put these changes in EU1 form ?????????? i had submitted each and every Original document Requried in EU1. and over the top we are takin about EU law not about Irish Authrities and there disasters.walrusgumble wrote:Sahil wrote:
A Simple Answer to your Questions :
1. Please give any link of any website where we all can read the rule that if you (NonNational) Marry to an EU and you r not legally residing in the state prior to Marriage, you won't be eligible to get the Residancy Card ?
the department of justice website - form eu1 policy. saying you need to have been in another eu state
denamark have similar stance on this issue. brownmonno you are good for getting cases, has eu ruled against them. as for that case, it seems from the facts that the eu spouse already had married then went to excerice powers of free movement to another eu state
you have a problem with how long it takes, go to the high court seek judicial review and an order for mandamus.
And that little PM that you send me is rather pathetic.does any other eu country allow non eu people, who are in that country but who is not legally entitled do reside there (and possibly had been informed of a proposal to deport them,) and during the time in that country marry an eu citizen (even if it is genuine), entitled to stay on the basis of marraige to that eu person, despite the fact they are not entitled to be there in the first place?
right (this is not negativity here but) the eu laws allows this yes, but unfortunately only in countries that recognises such partnerships in domestic law. in ireland, there is no constitutional recognition for unmarried partners. unfortunately, article 41 in this regard is very much outdated. even irish partners are not recognisedlimey wrote:Walrus: A couple do not have to be married to qualify for an EEA Family Permit anyway. They just have to be in a registered partnership or durable relationship.
1. limey mistook Irish application on eu recognition of civil partnership, which was given by the eurunie80 wrote:walrusgumble
You are making a joke of your self.
Firstly you are gone OFF topic on all threads here
Secondly you are not helping anyone here all your comments are negative and engage people in long pointless discussions stating you what is obvious and logical.
Thirdly I dont understand the reason you keep poking your finger in matters which are not your concern
If i was you i would be enjoying my life or thinking about my career rather than arguing about things which stay the same no matter how much you write about it on this board.This place is for information sharing between people who are in trouble because of Immigration Issues.
Everyone who comes on this forum is actively involved in this EU-1 "Fiasco" or either in someway connected to it.you are neither of those.You take pleasure in confronting people most of them are genuine people who are being abused by the system which is there to protect them.We all are trying to put togather the pieces of our lives.
I hope the above makes some sense and change your thinking.If not he following might be some use for you.
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." -
-- Eleanor Roosevelt