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by Brigid from Ireland » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:35 pm
Your plan sounds good. The reason the visa will be refused if mum applies from Pakistan is usually financial. The refusal will accept that she is financially dependent on you and will say that you can continue to send money to Pakistan, as the dependence is financial only. If she is present in Ireland with you when she applies, then you can say that the dependence is social/emotional, due to the confusion of old age she needs familiar family members with her, and as you live in Ireland she must live with you. It is very difficult to refuse the visa in this circumstance, as the Irish public have a great respect for elderly mammies, and no state official wants to be at the centre of a public relations disaster.
Think about the following. The average Irish resident, in the last twenty years of life, gets a state pension worth apprx quarter million euro over those twenty years. They also spend the last four years of life in a nursing home, which is another quarter million. They get heavily subsidised or free medicine, and over the last twenty years of life this may amount to one hundred thousand of cost, if they are in relatively good health. If they have a serious condition it is significantly more. Elderly people coming from poor countries are more likely to have a serious health issue, eg TB. So if your mum applies when living in Pakistan this is why there is a strong chance of refusal - the cost of each old person living here is in excess of half a million euro over the last twenty years of life. (This is not a criticism of old people, it is the type of calculation that public servants consider when making decisions). I also fully understand that many of these costs may not apply to your mother, but public servants look at the average.
There should not be any problem with them coming to UK then Ireland even if you are here slightly more than three months. This is because you are working, if you were not working it would be a problem. So you simply say that you came here to work and now that you are satisfied that the job is sufficient to support wife/mum you have called them to join you in Ireland.
When you rent the house you can ask if the bills can be changed to the name of your family. If the landlord says yes then you can put the bills in all three names - the utility companies will usually permit this, as they are interested in being paid, not in checking to see if mum/wife are still in Pakistan.
It is usually advisable for mum/wife to join one social activity and to attend each week (eg religious services) so that people can confirm they have been resident in Ireland, if they later intend to apply for citizenship.
Hi Asif,
The latest guidance is that you need to earn 60 thousand per year to bring one parent from a non-EU country, if you are yourself an Irish citizen. Can you let us know if you succeed, as so far the only people I know who have succeeded were EU migrant workers who applied for the visa for the non-EU parent AFTER that parent had arrived in Ireland.
The other poster is I think a UK citizen, and different rules apply to him as he is considered a migrant worker, so he does not need to earn any particular minimum amount in order to bring his mum from the UK to Ireland under EU migrant worker law.
BL