Thanks to you too. I am glad that I could be of a small help!pinkpop wrote:vin123 wrote: Thanks vin123 your answers are much appreciated. All the best for your future
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Thanks to you too. I am glad that I could be of a small help!pinkpop wrote:vin123 wrote: Thanks vin123 your answers are much appreciated. All the best for your future
Hibenneviss wrote:You might be right in saying that HO has no direct access to HMRC database , but HO already has a mandate to speak on your behalf through your application .
I believe that HMRC may have dedicated lines for HO and case worker using your NI or UTR number ask few questions about your tax history . If anything is contrary to your application then your application will be rejected .
It does not make any difference whether you are on employment or self-employment , they can check any one regardless of your status .
I had come across cases where application was rejected because employer did not pay any taxes or NI contributions on behalf of employee.
Really? you think you can totally comprehend how UKBA works? Looks like you are just making up stuff completely out of the whack without the slightest idea what you are talking aboutvin123 wrote:FYI, Declaration does not mean "consent to share" and "doubts" is basically on evidences you submit!!. So yes, they reject if they have doubts - and do not check other department records as they are legally not allowed to do so. Understood?
Know how to read between the lines? the above declaration also means UKBA can ask for any info they want.I understand that my details may in certain circumstances be passed to other people, including fraud prevention agencies, to prevent and detect fraud, money laundering and other crimes. I also understand that the UK Border Agency may receive information about me.
Hi Vin123,vin123 wrote:It is not mule difficult as fn286 thinks. "self-employed" is a category that UKBA puts extension application.
Self-employed normally operates in 2 modes
a) via limited company (shareholders to take dividend income) OR
b) by registering themselves as self-employed and paying Class 2 NIC
Once again - its all down to how you "operated" and the proving the same by the relevant set of documents you take to UKBA office!
Simple rule
Company earns money - company pays tax (account statements filed at company house showing net profit)
You earn money (dividend + salary) - you pay tax ( self assessment )
Company belongs to you - show the same proof ! (contract documents)
You operated as self employed - you take a detailed account of income you generated for yourself (self-assessment copies) and the net tax you paid at the end of the financial year.
Rule of thumb : whether self-employed or limited company director : employ a good qualified accountant and make sure your company accounts(those who operate using limited company) OR trading income and accounts (in case of those self-employed) are properly book-keeped alongside your self-assessment!!. Self assessment is a MUST, otherwise you stand a big chance of rejection and there is no escape from it!!
Expenses
All business operations incur expenses. So HMRC allows an expense limit that you can claim on expenditures as long as it is genuinely attributable to the total revenue it generated.
For e.g if a contractor worked away from home at a rate of £250 per day and claiming a hotel expenditure at £125 per night is not attributable, however a £50 claim may be attributable. UKBA will scrutinised at that level ONLY if there is massive difference between income and net profit in the case of limited company or in the case of self-employment, expenses claimed in self-assessment and the net tax paid.
mrehanashraf wrote:vin123 wrote:
Hi Vin123,
Very helpful discussion. I have a question that if Someone is claiming Salary+Dividend for 12 months (Dec 2012 - Nov 2013) and Company year end is January every year. Then there is a chance that Company Accounts will not match the claimed period (Dec 2012 - Nov 2013) because claimed dividends can be from 2 years of company but lies with in 12 month claimed for visa.
What are your thoughts on this?
Thanks
Section 40 UK Borders Act 2007 (UKBA07) permits HMRC to disclose information to the UK Border Agency (UKBA) for the purposes of “doing anything in connection with the exercise of immigration and nationality functions”.vin123 wrote:For all the folks here who think HO can "pick a phone" and verify your details - check the links below.
In UK, that is why we have laws and legislations. For for your info, such laws are applicable to government departments as well.
a) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/contents
And now read the first line of declaration you sign.
I understand that all information provided by me to the Home Office will be treated in confidence.
Wanderer, Ah ! you are backWanderer wrote:Section 40 UK Borders Act 2007 (UKBA07) permits HMRC to disclose information to the UK Border Agency (UKBA) for the purposes of “doing anything in connection with the exercise of immigration and nationality functions”.vin123 wrote:For all the folks here who think HO can "pick a phone" and verify your details - check the links below.
In UK, that is why we have laws and legislations. For for your info, such laws are applicable to government departments as well.
a) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/contents
And now read the first line of declaration you sign.
I understand that all information provided by me to the Home Office will be treated in confidence.
That is a very good advise. If there is no P60 for the current year (for e.g you are going for appointment in the month of Feb) then Case worker would be happy to receive the last 6 months payslips + bank statements.great.britain wrote:Hi folks
The wisest course of action for self-employed people would be to take all tax documents in order to support their case. In addition, employed individuals can only submit 12 months’ payslips and bank statements as Gringo did on 17 Jan 2014, and ILR was approved.
Cheers
Ali
Vin123.... I was laughing my a** out read this post from you. Clearly, you have never been in professional environment and I doubt you are even based in UK. You can't even understand simple plain english... I have no idea from where you copied this declaration because I'm looking application form for SET (O) page 55-57 and it clearly give permission to HO to do any verification checks they would feel necessary.vin123 wrote:For all the folks here who think HO can "pick a phone" and verify your details - check the links below.
In UK, that is why we have laws and legislations. For for your info, such laws are applicable to government departments as well.
a) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/29/contents
And now read the first line of declaration you sign.
I understand that all information provided by me to the Home Office will be treated in confidence.
You yourself gave answer to your question !!!fn286 wrote: I'm looking application form for SET (O) page 55-57 and it clearly give permission to HO to do any verification checks they would feel necessary.
Mate, good luck with your delusions...
vin123 wrote:You yourself gave answer to your question !!!fn286 wrote: I'm looking application form for SET (O) page 55-57 and it clearly give permission to HO to do any verification checks they would feel necessary.
Mate, good luck with your delusions...
In SET(O) where you are re not giving permission to HO to pick the phone and call another department
vin123 wrote:For fn286 & benneviss' benefit
I must say (for the last time) that you are now throwing insults here when you read something that you don't like to read.
Please be advised to stay away from it.
Once again I say - you are the owner and custodian of your own personal data and information you provide to "anyone" , no matter it is UKBA or HRMC or any private company.
NO company, especially government departments are allowed to "play with" personal data by picking up phones and verifying the authenticity of the same when suspicions arises, without your prior permission.
By providing a signature you are consenting HO to use it, not share it - signed by a declaration means they will share it with other departments for law enforcement purposes, not for assessing merits or validating documents on a individual basis.
It is your responsibility to furnish accurate information, otherwise they will simply reject you, no phone calls, nothing. Period.
Now contribute or share something if you really have something to add to the title of this thread, i.e "ILR rejected to tax issue" rather than resorting to personal insults.
andpage 5 wrote:Section 21 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999, however, is unchanged and provides the legal power for the UK Border Agency to provide information to HMRC for use for “Customs purposes” [section 1 of this IDI]. The UK Border Agency can otherwise rely on its common law powers to share information with HMRC, subject to the conditions of the Data Protection and Human Rights Acts [section 1 of this IDI].
In the majority of cases HMRC will be seeking information from the UK Border Agency in relation to the investigation of criminal offences. The exemption at section 29 of the DPA may therefore be relevant, but as mentioned above care must be taken when seeking to rely on this exemption, which must be applied on a case by case basis. In particular, the requirement to meet a condition under Schedule 2 of the DPA (and possibly also Schedule 3) must always be met even if an exemption applies (other than the s28 national security exemption). In respect of practical arrangements, enquiries from HMRC should be dealt with in the same way as police enquiries.
andpage 6 wrote:The Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001 ensures that any statutory or other restriction on disclosure does not prevent the disclosure by HMRC of information for certain purposes including commencing, conducting and discontinuing criminal investigations and proceedings, provided that the making of the disclosure is proportionate to what is sought to be achieved by it. The process for making requests for information under ATCSA is also covered in the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between HMRC and the UK Border Agency.
page 6 wrote:Section 40 of the 2007 Act consolidates the two existing powers for HMRC to share information with the UK Border Agency. Section 40 sets out the specific purposes for which HMRC officials can now share information with the UK Border Agency.
All information received from HMRC is now subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality (section 41 of the 2007 Act) and wrongful disclosure of HMRC information is a criminal offence (section 42 of the 2007 Act). Staff can be individually prosecuted for breach of the new statutory duty of confidentiality attached to HMRC information. Conviction for wrongful disclosure of HMRC information carries a maximum penalty of up to 2 years imprisonment and an unlimited fine. For this reason there are special handling procedures for HMRC information [see section 1 & MoU]. However there are certain circumstances in which staff may still disclose HMRC information e.g. where necessary for an immigration appeal. [For more details on this gateway & criminal penalty see section 1 of this IDI]
These new powers were commenced on 31 January 2008.