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[blueteam]

Hello Guyz,

Well after going thru NNJ10 case i think this might help somebody...according to the Guidance notes for HSMP..If we have supplied HSMP with anyother certificate other than IELTS or UNIVERSITY Letter then that certificate shud be evaluated by NARIC and it shud be equivalent to IELTS 6.5.....which means as i understood that if an applicant is submitting the TOFEL result then that shud be evaluated by NARIC please find below the statement from the Guidance notes

Alternative evidence for applicants without either an IELTS level 6 certificate or a degree taught in English.
IELTS level 6 is the preferred qualification. However, where you have already obtained an English language certificate equivalent to IELTS 6 prior to making your application, we will consider this qualification under certain circumstances.

You must submit the original certificate for consideration with your application.

This alternative English language certificate must be equivalent to IELTS 6. You are advised to check the equivalence of this qualification prior to making your application. We will check the equivalence with NARIC before accepting that it meets the English Language Criteria.

Well i think this shud explain.....And i Personally think the Case worker who was dealing with the NNJ10 case might have Checked NNJ10 Undergraduate Degree Certificate... with the NARIC for the IELTS equivalence and might have come to the conclusion that it is not Equivalent to IELTS 6.0 or higher Simply Overlooking the University Letter Provided by NNJ10 for english Language Requirment.....How on Earth can NARIC evaluate an undergraduate degree with IELTS...AS nnj10 MENTIONED in his previous posts that Undergraduate does consists of LISTENING.READING,WRITING,SPEAKING....adb we have done this over 4 years so it shud be equivalent to IELTS....Sorry to write such a Long Post GUYZ......

[freebirds]

i went ot osmania university and i got a letter in std format (thats how the univ osmania gives). i produced the same.
and along with it i submitted letter from naric. letter of equivalence

thanks

[rizwan567]

NNJ.... the only logical reason I could think of your refusal: is that you might have not included a letter from University stating that the medium of instruction was in English.

You attached letter from NARIC which tells the equivalency of the degree but does not tell anything about the medium of instruction.... What do you say?

[nnj10]

Hi Rizwan567,

I have included the letter from university clearly mentioning that the Degree was taught in English.

The degree taught in English is above/Below IELTS 6 was not heard beofoe my case.

Blueteam,
The point you are referring to is for the person, who has not submitted either IELTS or the degee taught in English.

In my case I have provided all the evidence for the english language, i.e.
1. Bachelor degree comparable to British Bachelor (Hons.)
2. Letter from the university comfirming my Name, Degree awarded, date of award and that it was taught in English.

Inspite of this I got rejection.

NNJ10

[blueteam]

Hi NNJ10,

Yah thats what i am saying....what i am thinking in your case is that the Case worker who was dealing with your case ''instead of looking @ the university letter he might have taken you Undergrad Certificate into account and evaluated it with NARIC for IELTS equivalence and I dont think Naric has got any procedure in line to evaluate an Undergrad degree with IELTS...and they might have considered it is not equivalent to IELTS...
Lets see what happens in my case...

Hi Rizwan567,


I have included the letter from university clearly mentioning that the Degree was taught in English.

The degree taught in English is above/Below IELTS 6 was not heard beofoe my case.

Blueteam,
The point you are referring to is for the person, who has not submitted either IELTS or the degee taught in English.

In my case I have provided all the evidence for the english language, i.e.
1. Bachelor degree comparable to British Bachelor (Hons.)
2. Letter from the university comfirming my Name, Degree awarded, date of award and that it was taught in English.

Inspite of this I got rejection.

NNJ10

[nnj10]

Hi All,

I just spoke to my case worker, and he said that they checked with NARIC,, that the level of English taught at my University, is not equivalent to the IELTS Band 6. I doubt his argument although. I doubt if this is checked for all the applicants or not?

I also received a response from UK NARIC, where I asked them to evaluate whether my Bachelor degree is comparable to IELTS Band 6 or not. I am sharing the response below:
______________________________________________
Hello,

Please note that the UK NARIC assessment service compares overseas academic awards that constitute national standards in the country of origin. We do not comment on English language proficiency as part of our assessment service. If you are applying for a work permit, then you should present evidence of your language proficiency directly to the Home Office for their consideration.

Thank you
______________________________________________

This means, NARIC does not certify the level of English language taught at University, directly to the applicant, but HO team, can get this information from NARIC

Isn't it something just to harass the applicant?
Why dont thet specify that this will be checked with NARIC for the English language proficiency. Or at least they should hint that the IELTS is must for the overseas non-englsih speaking countries.

Guys, I am really frustrated.

My case worker, suggested, that I should take IELTS, and apply again.

Regards,
NNJ10

[aj_sp_007]

Can anybody suggest...

i have the IELTS band 6.5 certificate exam given on dec 2006
now still i have to go for NARIC evaluation ???

in this thread few posts are making things very confusing....

I think both are two different things...

aj_sp_007
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[deep_rp]

NNJ,
DId you send a seperate letter from the university/college that certified your english profeciency?

Thanks
Deepak

[ND]

nnj10,

I personally think you should go for a review. Your's is a strong case and they can't simply reject applications with these silly reasons.
First of all if you are confident that the proof submitted is according to there guidance , fight back. Prove that the caseworker did a mistake.

I do not know what all evidences you have submitted , so I can't comment more. Whats your's qualification ?

ND.

[olumighty]

I share the same view, take the IELTS test and apply again. The step will definitely save you time.

[ND]

aj_sp_007,

You need not.Dont get confused with the post's here. Check your evidence against the guidance details.

ND.

[nnj10]

deep_rp,

Yes, I did send a letter from University(AICTE Accredited 5 Star rating University), clearly mentioning that the course was taught in the English Language.

I don't know is this checked for the all the applicants.

NNJ10

[deep_rp]

NNJ,
Your case is indeed very strange. My case was rejected on earnings. But the letter from my college and university was accepted as proof enough for English proficiency. I did not send an NARIC letter nor did I attend IELTS.
I am a B.E. graduate

Thanks
Deepak

[paramjit2k]

Hey NAKVIS/DEEP

Any updates? did u got the decision letter frm the HO?

[first2last4]

nnj10,

There's no doubt that either the case worker is lying about checking the english level from NARIC or he needs training about this whole evaluation. As NARIC confirms that there is no such service, you could let the case worker know what NARIC has said. Also using the freedom of information act you could demand the case worker to know the real truth.

It would be interesting to know which university degree/master do you have?

Hi All,

I just spoke to my case worker, and he said that they checked with NARIC,, that the level of English taught at my University, is not equivalent to the IELTS Band 6. I doubt his argument although. I doubt if this is checked for all the applicants or not?

I also received a response from UK NARIC, where I asked them to evaluate whether my Bachelor degree is comparable to IELTS Band 6 or not. I am sharing the response below:
______________________________________________
Hello,

Please note that the UK NARIC assessment service compares overseas academic awards that constitute national standards in the country of origin. We do not comment on English language proficiency as part of our assessment service. If you are applying for a work permit, then you should present evidence of your language proficiency directly to the Home Office for their consideration.

Thank you
______________________________________________

This means, NARIC does not certify the level of English language taught at University, directly to the applicant, but HO team, can get this information from NARIC

Isn't it something just to harass the applicant?
Why dont thet specify that this will be checked with NARIC for the English language proficiency. Or at least they should hint that the IELTS is must for the overseas non-englsih speaking countries.

Guys, I am really frustrated.

My case worker, suggested, that I should take IELTS, and apply again.

Regards,
NNJ10

[deep_rp]

Paramjit,
Mine is not yet allocated to case worker. I am waiting till wednesday and then I am reapplying.

THanks
Deepak

[paramjit2k]

Hi deepak

chk again man!

As i sent later then u, it is already with Caseworker...My case is under consideration now

[deep_rp]

That is strange man. I called up last night and they said, it is yet to be allocated..

[deep_rp]

Hi Paramjit,
When did your application reach? There is also no news on Nakviz

Thanks
Deepak

[deep_rp]

Hi Paramjit,
How did you come to know about your case being allocated? Through email or phone?

Thanks
Deepak

[paramjit2k]

hi deepak

thru phone!

[deep_rp]

Paramjit,
I would be reapplying today in case I do not get a favourable reply. I have now got all pay slips and so if that was the only problem it should go through....

BTW, Do I need to mention the old Reference number in the new application?

Thanks
Deepak

[flamenco]

Hi All,

I called H.O yesterday to check the status of my Review application and was told that an initial decision has been made on my application and now it is to go to a supervisor for confirmation. Is it the standard procedure or all review application or that means it is a refusal again and it is being rechecked by a higher authority? H.O. guy told me that it is a standard procedure for review applications but my point is if it is an approval, why it needs to be rechecked by a supervisor again? I faxed my review application on January 17, 2007.

[flamenco]

Just called work permit (UK) and was told that a decision has been reached on my review application and a letter has been sent by air mail yesterday. Waiting anxiously for the outcome. Lets see what the decision turns out to be.

[smadan_in]

HI, i had my application rejected with the reason being " You have not provided original evidence of your previous earnings. The Wage slips and tax return evidence were photocopies and although we note that the salary slips have been endorsed by your employer, there is no indication as to the designation of the signatory and therfore, salary slips cannot be accepted".

I had subimitted multiple evidences

1. Bank statements for 12 months showing the amount exactly as in salary slips

2. Salary slips for 12 months which were stamped and didnot have the name of the signatory

3. Tax return for 6 months. In India the tax department only gives a receipt of the tax return after stamping on the copy of the original. The original is with the tax department. How can i get original tax return. I submitted the tax return stamped by the tax department.

4. Letter from the chartered accountant.

5. Salary increment letter from my employer.

Despite all the above they refused. Can i apply for review. Can i have the signatory name written under the stamp and send it again, would that be a new application or review.

Thanx