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Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Only for the UK Skilled Worker visas, formerly known as Tier 2 visa route

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:33 am

nghivo wrote:Hi Manci,

I would appreciate your support to verify my current situation as below.

1. in the UK - 26/03/2011 to 13/08/2011 on Tier 2 ICT Skill Transfer

2. in the UK - 10/09/2011 to 26/09/2013 on Tier 2 ICT Long Term Staff (Applied in Vietnam)

3. in the UK - 27/09/2013 to till date on Tier 2 ICT Long Term Leave To Remain (Visa renewed in the UK and is still valid until 27/09/2015)

Could I switch to Tier 2 General inside the UK?
unfortunately not. Read immigration rule 245HD and in particular sub-para (c):
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _final.pdf

If yes, can my wife and my son re-new their PBS dependant visa at the same time with me?

In case I can't do it in the UK and I'm required to travel back to home country for applying Tier 2 General visa. Is the cool off period in 12 months applied to my case?
yes, it does

Many thanks,

Nghi

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ILR eligibility and Extension

Post by kushwahashish84 » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:02 am

I have query on ILR eligibility and visa extension . My Stays in UK are below.

1. Cos issued – 16 March 2011
2.Visa Applied 29 March 2011
3. visa stamped – 17 Apr 2011- 18 Apr 2014 (Tier 2 ICT ESTABLISHED STAFF cos no. followed)
4. Visa extend with new COS- 19 Apr-2014- 20 Apr 2016

Please suggest
Q1. Am I eligible for ILR?
Q2. If not , then can I extend my visa in same category which is Tier 2 ICT
Q2. Is it possible to switch in to Tier 2 General from inside UK? if yes, then for how long I can stay on Tier 2 General?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: ILR eligibility and Extension

Post by manci » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:09 am

kushwahashish84 wrote:I have query on ILR eligibility and visa extension . My Stays in UK are below.

1. Cos issued – 16 March 2011
2.Visa Applied 29 March 2011
3. visa stamped – 17 Apr 2011- 18 Apr 2014 (Tier 2 ICT ESTABLISHED STAFF cos no. followed)
4. Visa extend with new COS- 19 Apr-2014- 20 Apr 2016

Please suggest
Q1. Am I eligible for ILR?
not on the 5 year route, only on the 10 year long residency route

Q2. If not , then can I extend my visa in same category which is Tier 2 ICT
you can extend indefinitely but will need a new CoS for each extension

Q2. Is it possible to switch in to Tier 2 General from inside UK? if yes, then for how long I can stay on Tier 2 General?
you are eligible to switch to T2G, the max stay is 6 years and after 5 years you will be eligible for ILR


Thanks for your help.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by vps » Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:17 pm

manci wrote:
vps wrote:Hi Manci

I have query on ILR eligibility and switching to Tier 2 General. My Stays in UK are below.

1. in UK - 13/08/2010 to 11/08/2012 on Tier 2 (ICT) Established Staff (Applied in INDIA)

2. in UK - 12/08/2012 to 30/06/2013 on Tier 2 Long Term (Renewed while in UK)
3. in India - 01/07/2013 to 16/05/2014 working for same company, project and client in offshore.
4. in UK - 17/05/2014 to till date on Tier 2 Long Term (Visa renewed during this period, in UK and is valid until 09/2017) - Same company different Client.

Please suggest
Q1. if and when I would be eligible for ILR.
unfortunately you are not eligible for ILR on the basis of your T2 ICT leave because that leave didn't include a period before 6 April 2010.

Q2. Is it possible to switch in to Tier 2 General from inside UK? if yes, then for how long I can stay on Tier 2 General?
you can switch to T2G in-country and stay for 6 years provided you find a new sponsor. After 5 years on T2G you'll be eligible for ILR
Thanks for your help.
Hi Manci

Another query. I am leaving UK for good in May 2015. I am trying to get tier 2 general sponsorship. Not sure if I get it in time. If I get it when I am in India, does cooling off apply?

Thanks Again.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by vps » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:02 pm

manci wrote:
vps wrote:
Hi Manci

I have query on ILR eligibility and switching to Tier 2 General. My Stays in UK are below.

1. in UK - 13/08/2010 to 11/08/2012 on Tier 2 (ICT) Established Staff (Applied in INDIA)

2. in UK - 12/08/2012 to 30/06/2013 on Tier 2 Long Term (Renewed while in UK)
3. in India - 01/07/2013 to 16/05/2014 working for same company, project and client in offshore.
4. in UK - 17/05/2014 to till date on Tier 2 Long Term (Visa renewed during this period, in UK and is valid until 09/2017) - Same company different Client.

Please suggest
Q1. if and when I would be eligible for ILR.
unfortunately you are not eligible for ILR on the basis of your T2 ICT leave because that leave didn't include a period before 6 April 2010.

Q2. Is it possible to switch in to Tier 2 General from inside UK? if yes, then for how long I can stay on Tier 2 General?
you can switch to T2G in-country and stay for 6 years provided you find a new sponsor. After 5 years on T2G you'll be eligible for ILR
Thanks for your help.
Hi Manci

Thanks for earlier replies. it really helped me in setting my priorities right.

One employer has provisionally agreed to sponsor. They are adding work location, as a new branch to existing Tier 2 licence (held by different branch) and requested unrestricted CoS allocation. Please advise how long it could take.

I am leaving UK for good in May 2015. If I get Tier 2 Sponsorship when I am in India, does cooling off apply?

Thanks Again.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by vps » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:15 pm

Hi @Manci

Could you please respond to my query?

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:30 pm

as long as you are still being sponsored by your current employer (i.e. your employment hasn't terminated) you can only switch to T2G without cooling off in-country and with an unrestricted CoS. If you apply for entry clearance from abroad you will be subject to 1 year cooling-off and will need a restricted CoS.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by KVP » Fri May 01, 2015 8:27 am

Hi Manci,

The table is here.

Year 1 ----------- 28-Apr-2010 to 27-Apr-2011 ----------- 157 days **
Year 2 ----------- 28-Apr-2011 to 27-Apr-2012 ----------- 17 days
Year 3 ----------- 28-Apr-2012 to 27-Apr-2013 ----------- 24 days
Year 4 ----------- 28-Apr-2013 to 27-Apr-2014 ----------- 0 days
Year 5 ----------- 28-Apr-2014 to 27-Apr-2015 ----------- 0 days

** My details:

- Workpermit issued for Intra-company transfer - vaild from 20-Nov 2008 to 20-Nov- 2010.
First entry in UK: 01-Dec 2008
Left UK: 15-Aug 2009

- Applied Tier 2 ICT - Applied from India and valid from 22-Sep-2010 to till date.
re-entry to to UK: 01-Oct 2010

I had a long break more than a year - Aug 2009 to Oct 2010
i.e. worked for same employer for same UK business at offshore location[/quote]

Hi Manci, Did you have a chance to look at this? Is my case ok to apply for ILR?
My doubt is that, whether Home Office will consider the 157 days absense falling at the beginning of first qualifying period itself since I had a long break (more than a year). Once a solicitor told me that it will not be considered, and the second entry will be taken as a fresh arrival. Is this true?[/quote]
There is nothing in immigration rule 245AAA that wouldn't allow an absence at the beginning of the 5 year period provided you had valid leave (which you did) and provided you were employed in the UK even though you were working abroad (245AAA(b)).
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _final.pdf
The table is OK and IMHO you can apply on 27 Apr. When I said earlier that you can only apply on 4 Apr was based on a misunderstanding of the situation.
[/quote]




Hi Manci,

Many thanks for your kind advise. I almost preapred to book an appointment but am stopped by a point, I need clarification, so that I am aware what needs to be done.

For all other categories, absences must be consistent with or connected to the applicant’s sponsored or permitted employment, or the permitted economic activity being carried out in the UK, for example, business trips or short secondments.
This also includes any paid annual leave which must be assessed on a case by case basis and should be in line with UK annual leave entitlement for settled workers.

Evidence in the form of a letter from the employer which sets out the reasons for the absences, including annual leave, must be provided.
Where short visits outside the UK, on weekends or other non-working days have taken place, evidence from the employer should be provided to confirm the applicant’s normal working pattern and show the absences occurred during a non-working period.

However, time spent away from the UK for extended periods, particularly if the business no longer exists, would not be allowed


Please see the last point. Would this impact my case? will HO consider the time spent in my WP as valid because it looks like my 15 months absense does not compile to short secondment or business trip..?

Because my current employer is quoting this point (seems he checked with his own solicitor) and so that he does not want to provide me the current employer letter!! (I understand they do not have any obligation even if my ILR is getting refused, he just tells me that he does not want an unsuccessful ILR application through their company)

I have the letter from my previous employer but it just validates that I worked in UK business while I was at overseas office, and also validates the annual leaves.

Hugely appreciate your help to understand this guideline point.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by KVP » Fri May 01, 2015 11:07 am

Hi Manci,

Would you be so kind to advise on my queries in my last post above. thank you.

-Kvp

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Fri May 01, 2015 5:09 pm

KVP wrote:Hi Manci,

Would you be so kind to advise on my queries in my last post above. thank you.

IMHO because the long absence was less than 180 days and it was connected to your employment in the UK it didn't break continuity. Your employer's reason for not giving you the required letter is pretty feeble. In the letter all they have to certify is that they still need you for the job in question and that you are being paid at least what is in the codes of practice for the job SOC code. If your application is refused for whatever reason that has no bearing on their sponsor status. Could it be that they don't want to give you the letter because they know that once you have ILR you will be free from immigration control and can leave them?

-Kvp

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by KVP » Fri May 01, 2015 5:54 pm

Thank you Manci. Yes, looks like that could be the reason;
They are tellling me that I can't apply because my long absence is not in line with business trips or short secondments. So I can't use the time spent in WP as an allowable absence even if it falls within 180 days.

Is that interpretation right? I kindly request your expertise advise to interpret the following statement correctly in absence calculator - imigration guidance.

However, time spent away from the UK for extended periods, particularly if the business no longer exists, would not be allowed

Thanks, KVP.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by yeshokiran » Sat May 02, 2015 11:43 am

Hi Mancy,
Hope you are doing well!. Please can you confirm if I'm eligible to switch from T2 ICT to T2G?
I've come to the UK in May'2011 on VISA TIER 2 ICT short term staff migrant and have left in the month Sept'2011. Then I've come back on VISA TIER 2 ICT long term staff migrant in Jan'2012 and continued to get in-country extended and my VISA is valid until Aug'2015 now. The gap between short term and long term visa is 113 days i.e. 16/jan/2012-24/sep/2011.

Thanks,
Yesho

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Sat May 02, 2015 8:24 pm

yeshokiran wrote:Hi Mancy,
Hope you are doing well!. Please can you confirm if I'm eligible to switch from T2 ICT to T2G?
I've come to the UK in May'2011 on VISA TIER 2 ICT short term staff migrant and have left in the month Sept'2011. Then I've come back on VISA TIER 2 ICT long term staff migrant in Jan'2012 and continued to get in-country extended and my VISA is valid until Aug'2015 now. The gap between short term and long term visa is 113 days i.e. 16/jan/2012-24/sep/2011.
unfortunately you cannot switch. The short time visa wouldn't have made you eligible to switch in any case and your T2 ICT long term visa application would have had to be before 6 April 2011 to make you eligible.
Thanks,
Yesho

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by KVP » Sun May 03, 2015 6:59 pm

KVP wrote:Thank you Manci. Yes, looks like that could be the reason;
They are tellling me that I can't apply because my long absence is not in line with business trips or short secondments. So I can't use the time spent in WP as an allowable absence even if it falls within 180 days.

Is that interpretation right? I kindly request your expertise advise to interpret the following statement correctly in absence calculator - imigration guidance.

However, time spent away from the UK for extended periods, particularly if the business no longer exists, would not be allowed

Thanks, KVP.
Dear Manci,

Could you please advise on this point? I want to make him convinced. The company solicitor is hanging around this point and telling me that "the entire time spent in WP" would not be allowed because my long absence is not in line with Short secondments or Business trips. :(

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by KVP » Tue May 05, 2015 12:39 pm

Dear Manci,

Would you be so kind and answer to my last question (in my previous posts). Sorry to bother you, but your expertise answer would throw some light. Thank you.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Wed May 06, 2015 12:48 pm

[quote="KVP"]Dear Manci,

Would you be so kind and answer to my last question (in my previous posts). Sorry to bother you, but your expertise answer would throw some light. Thank you.

see my post on 1 May @ 4.09 pm. IMHO the quote you are concerned about applies to Tier 1 migrants.[/quote]

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by vps » Tue May 12, 2015 5:30 pm

Hi Manci

Thanks for response on query "Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:30 pm". I am able to find a sponsor to switch. But, they hold sponsorship licence only for another branch (say B2). They have initiated the process for adding branch to license, but it may take some time.

Is it legal to get CoS from and employed with branch B2 and work at branch B1?

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Tue May 12, 2015 7:44 pm

vps wrote:Hi Manci

Thanks for response on query "Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:30 pm". I am able to find a sponsor to switch. But, they hold sponsorship licence only for another branch (say B2). They have initiated the process for adding branch to license, but it may take some time.

Is it legal to get CoS from and employed with branch B2 and work at branch B1?

you can be sponsored and employed by B2 and seconded by them to B1. You must be paid by B2 and as sponsors they will be responsible for you vis-à-vis the HO. There should be a secondment agreement in place.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by Sai_tier2 » Sat May 30, 2015 8:50 pm

Hello there, I have an offer from an employer .They are ready to process my Tier 2 General visa and they are going to start RLMT soon. The offer letter has working hours as 37.5 hours/week . Will this be a problem when applying for RLMT as I see SOC codes/salary rates are based on 40 hour week? Many thanks.

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by mandy1285 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:44 pm

Hi manci,
Below Is my situation:

April 2011--> Sept 2013 --- Tier 2 Established Staff

Sept 2013 --> Sep 2016 --- Tier 2 General ( Switched from Tier 2 Established Staff to Tier 2 General)
I know i have Tier 2 General Visa Valid till Sept 2016 but if i want can i put the Extension Application for tier 2 General in March 2016 ?
Time period visa will be granted: I believe that i will be granted visa for 3 years ie till March 2019
and i can Apply ILR in Sept 2018 as i will be completing 5 years in Tier 2 General in Sept 2018.

Can you pls validate my above Statements. can Case worker can ask me why i am applying so early or he will just process the application based on Points eligibility.

Any help on this would be much appreciated.


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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:33 am

Sai_tier2 wrote:Hello there, I have an offer from an employer .They are ready to process my Tier 2 General visa and they are going to start RLMT soon. The offer letter has working hours as 37.5 hours/week . Will this be a problem when applying for RLMT as I see SOC codes/salary rates are based on 40 hour week? Many thanks.
Salary rates in the code of practice are generally based on either a 39 hour or a 40 hour week. The job advertisements for the RLMT should state the terms of employment which includes the weekly hours,

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:39 am

mandy1285 wrote:Hi manci,
Below Is my situation:

April 2011--> Sept 2013 --- Tier 2 Established Staff

Sept 2013 --> Sep 2016 --- Tier 2 General ( Switched from Tier 2 Established Staff to Tier 2 General)
I know i have Tier 2 General Visa Valid till Sept 2016 but if i want can i put the Extension Application for tier 2 General in March 2016 ?
Time period visa will be granted: I believe that i will be granted visa for 3 years ie till March 2019
and i can Apply ILR in Sept 2018 as i will be completing 5 years in Tier 2 General in Sept 2018.

Can you pls validate my above Statements. can Case worker can ask me why i am applying so early or he will just process the application based on Points eligibility.

An extension can be applied for at any time during the validity of a visa, not necessarily near the end. The length of the extension will be the period of engagement as stated in the CoS or in your case Sept 2019 (6 year cap) whichever is sooner.

Any help on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by mandy1285 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:50 pm

Hi manci,

Two more questions

1. Regarding My ILR eligiblity..can you pls confirm that i will be eligible for ILR in sept 2018 based on my 5 year stay in T2 General

2. On my extension Application for Tier 2 general, i am planning to use criteria as below:

"I currently have or was last granted leave as a Tier 2 Migrant and have previously sent
evidence of meeting the English language requirement in an earlier application;"

But issue is that in last Tier 2 general application i cleared the Pearson PTE Exam which will be not recognized by HO now.

So can you pls confirm that by ticking above condition i can meet Eng Language 10 points o do need to clear the test again?


Thanks again in advance

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by manci » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:57 pm

mandy1285 wrote:Hi manci,

Two more questions

1. Regarding My ILR eligiblity..can you pls confirm that i will be eligible for ILR in sept 2018 based on my 5 year stay in T2 General
after 5 years stay on T2G you will be eligible for ILR

2. On my extension Application for Tier 2 general, i am planning to use criteria as below:

"I currently have or was last granted leave as a Tier 2 Migrant and have previously sent
evidence of meeting the English language requirement in an earlier application;"

But issue is that in last Tier 2 general application i cleared the Pearson PTE Exam which will be not recognized by HO now.
see: http://pearsonpte.com/visa-information-uk/
but confirm this with the HO


So can you pls confirm that by ticking above condition i can meet Eng Language 10 points o do need to clear the test again?


Thanks again in advance

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Re: Oct 14 Change in Rules - Switching from T2 ICT to T2G

Post by mandy1285 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:58 pm

manci wrote:
mandy1285 wrote:Hi manci,

Two more questions

1. Regarding My ILR eligiblity..can you pls confirm that i will be eligible for ILR in sept 2018 based on my 5 year stay in T2 General
after 5 years stay on T2G you will be eligible for ILR

2. On my extension Application for Tier 2 general, i am planning to use criteria as below:

"I currently have or was last granted leave as a Tier 2 Migrant and have previously sent
evidence of meeting the English language requirement in an earlier application;"

But issue is that in last Tier 2 general application i cleared the Pearson PTE Exam which will be not recognized by HO now.
see: http://pearsonpte.com/visa-information-uk/
but confirm this with the HO


Thanks for the response Manci.
can you pls share me Home Office Email Address or Communication address details so that i can confirm with them.
I am wondering if we need to contact particular team that deals with Tier 2 Visas.


So can you pls confirm that by ticking above condition i can meet Eng Language 10 points o do need to clear the test again?


Thanks again in advance

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