Pakistan UK Spouse visa appeals

[asif_sharif]

just called them said there's no update as of yet maybe another week and a half application been sent to embassy and might not ever get to court if the embassy ur appeal and agree. he said that as there are lot of appeals to go court we stagger them. thats why sometime so are slow the gentleman even agreed with me that should be a system in place at least to get a rough time of when you get ur court date.

if it doesn't go to court do i get £140 back

[Annonymous]

Hi,

@Khan81 thanks a lot for updating your time line on the forum. The time looks pretty much similar to mine and stillwaiting123.

@stillwaiting123 have you heard any thing back from the FTT regarding your application review ????

I just wanted to ask if any one can tell me what the paragraph below means it says on the review notice I've received from the FTT

To the Respondent
"A Notice of Appeal was lodged on 26 June 2015 against the respondent. A Copy of the notice of appeal is enclosed.

The Tribunals directs the respondent to send copies of all the documents to the Tribunal and to the other party, to include a copy of the notice of decision to which the notice of appeal relates, and any other documents provided to the appellant giving reasons for that decision, together with any statement of evidence, application form, record of interview, or any other unpublished documents on which you rely, to arrive within 28 days of the date on which you received from the Tribunal a copy of the notice of appeal and any accompanying documents "

I am confused about the above paragraph. I would like the respected group members/experts/gurus to help me in understanding the above paragraph.

Many thanks for your useful reply.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

[asif_sharif]

basically means they want copies of everything

[tehmina]

One of our family friend lodged appeal on 01/04/15
And review date is 27th August
He called on that no 0113..but they are saying we didn't get any document about court hearing so there is no decision yet.

He also ring on paid number to esclate but they said we don't deal with appeals etc

It's just 2 more days left and lot of other people who lodge appeals after him got either court date or got call to submit passport

What should he do any suggestion? What's likley the reason

[Annonymous]

One of our family friend lodged appeal on 01/04/15
And review date is 27th August
He called on that no 0113..but they are saying we didn't get any document about court hearing so there is no decision yet.

He also ring on paid number to esclate but they said we don't deal with appeals etc

It's just 2 more days left and lot of other people who lodge appeals after him got either court date or got call to submit passport

What should he do any suggestion? What's likley the reason

Hi Tehmina,

First of all thanks a lot for sharing such a precious experience here with us on the forum with the members. Cause many of us are in dark/confusion about review date deadlines. It doesn't happen very often that UKVI will reconsider the case within the review dead lines, at least not many ones in my knowledge. it goes to the court 90 % of the times.

Well that's a very sad dilemma about appeals, according to my lawyers/representative UKVI being UKVI they don't normally send documents if they think that their decisions is wrong to the courts and then when the review deadline gone past the FTT will decide a date for the court hearing and just inform the UKVI about it and it happens quite often that UKVI don't send their representative in those cases in which they knew that they have got very slim chances to win for their decisions and then the court decides themselves either by ordering UKVI to issue the visa or ordering the appellant that sorry but UKVI is right at their place in refusing the visa.

So I think there's nothing much your relative can do at this point of time apart from praying hard for the visa appeal.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Keep us updated on the forum

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

[stillwaiting123]

One of our family friend lodged appeal on 01/04/15
And review date is 27th August
He called on that no 0113..but they are saying we didn't get any document about court hearing so there is no decision yet.

He also ring on paid number to esclate but they said we don't deal with appeals etc

It's just 2 more days left and lot of other people who lodge appeals after him got either court date or got call to submit passport

What should he do any suggestion? What's likley the reason

In my opinions its going to court...if they was going to overturn decision they would have by now

[stillwaiting123]

Hi,

@Khan81 thanks a lot for updating your time line on the forum. The time looks pretty much similar to mine and stillwaiting123.

@stillwaiting123 have you heard any thing back from the FTT regarding your application review ????

I just wanted to ask if any one can tell me what the paragraph below means it says on the review notice I've received from the FTT

To the Respondent
"A Notice of Appeal was lodged on 26 June 2015 against the respondent. A Copy of the notice of appeal is enclosed.

The Tribunals directs the respondent to send copies of all the documents to the Tribunal and to the other party, to include a copy of the notice of decision to which the notice of appeal relates, and any other documents provided to the appellant giving reasons for that decision, together with any statement of evidence, application form, record of interview, or any other unpublished documents on which you rely, to arrive within 28 days of the date on which you received from the Tribunal a copy of the notice of appeal and any accompanying documents "

I am confused about the above paragraph. I would like the respected group members/experts/gurus to help me in understanding the above paragraph.

Many thanks for your useful reply.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

It means any supporting documents with your appeal they should reach within 28 days

[stillwaiting123]

just called them said there's no update as of yet maybe another week and a half application been sent to embassy and might not ever get to court if the embassy ur appeal and agree. he said that as there are lot of appeals to go court we stagger them. thats why sometime so are slow the gentleman even agreed with me that should be a system in place at least to get a rough time of when you get ur court date.

if it doesn't go to court do i get £140 back

What's your deadline bro? And I should hope so but if they just hurry up and issue the visa I can live without it haha

[asif_sharif]

see my sig

[stillwaiting123]

see my sig

No deadline...

[asif_sharif]

dunno what that means

[stillwaiting123]

dunno what that means

U only lodged appeal 23rd July... U will get it in September

[Annonymous]

Hi,

@Khan81 thanks a lot for updating your time line on the forum. The time looks pretty much similar to mine and stillwaiting123.

@stillwaiting123 have you heard any thing back from the FTT regarding your application review ????

I just wanted to ask if any one can tell me what the paragraph below means it says on the review notice I've received from the FTT

To the Respondent
"A Notice of Appeal was lodged on 26 June 2015 against the respondent. A Copy of the notice of appeal is enclosed.

The Tribunals directs the respondent to send copies of all the documents to the Tribunal and to the other party, to include a copy of the notice of decision to which the notice of appeal relates, and any other documents provided to the appellant giving reasons for that decision, together with any statement of evidence, application form, record of interview, or any other unpublished documents on which you rely, to arrive within 28 days of the date on which you received from the Tribunal a copy of the notice of appeal and any accompanying documents "

I am confused about the above paragraph. I would like the respected group members/experts/gurus to help me in understanding the above paragraph.

Many thanks for your useful reply.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

It means any supporting documents with your appeal they should reach within 28 days

Hi,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

but if you read it carefully the Tribunal is directing the respondent in my case the respondent is UKVI

To the Respondent
"A Notice of Appeal was lodged on 26 June 2015 against the respondent. A Copy of the notice of appeal is enclosed.

The Tribunals directs the respondent to send copies of all the documents to the Tribunal and to the other party, to include a copy of the notice of decision to which the notice of appeal relates, and any other documents provided to the appellant giving reasons for that decision, together with any statement of evidence, application form, record of interview, or any other unpublished documents on which you rely, to arrive within 28 days of the date on which you received from the Tribunal a copy of the notice of appeal and any accompanying documents "


The Respondent is UKVI not me or my lawyer/representative am I correct in saying that.

Waiting for your useful replies.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

[March2015]

Hi,

@Khan81 thanks a lot for updating your time line on the forum. The time looks pretty much similar to mine and stillwaiting123.

@stillwaiting123 have you heard any thing back from the FTT regarding your application review ????

I just wanted to ask if any one can tell me what the paragraph below means it says on the review notice I've received from the FTT

To the Respondent
"A Notice of Appeal was lodged on 26 June 2015 against the respondent. A Copy of the notice of appeal is enclosed.

The Tribunals directs the respondent to send copies of all the documents to the Tribunal and to the other party, to include a copy of the notice of decision to which the notice of appeal relates, and any other documents provided to the appellant giving reasons for that decision, together with any statement of evidence, application form, record of interview, or any other unpublished documents on which you rely, to arrive within 28 days of the date on which you received from the Tribunal a copy of the notice of appeal and any accompanying documents "

I am confused about the above paragraph. I would like the respected group members/experts/gurus to help me in understanding the above paragraph.

Many thanks for your useful reply.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

It means any supporting documents with your appeal they should reach within 28 days

Hi,

Thanks a lot for your reply.

but if you read it carefully the Tribunal is directing the respondent in my case the respondent is UKVI

To the Respondent
"A Notice of Appeal was lodged on 26 June 2015 against the respondent. A Copy of the notice of appeal is enclosed.

The Tribunals directs the respondent to send copies of all the documents to the Tribunal and to the other party, to include a copy of the notice of decision to which the notice of appeal relates, and any other documents provided to the appellant giving reasons for that decision, together with any statement of evidence, application form, record of interview, or any other unpublished documents on which you rely, to arrive within 28 days of the date on which you received from the Tribunal a copy of the notice of appeal and any accompanying documents "


The Respondent is UKVI not me or my lawyer/representative am I correct in saying that.

Waiting for your useful replies.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application.

Hi
What this means is that the respondent (UKVI) are instructed to send their grounds for upholding their decision along with any supporting documents to the Tribunal within 28 days of receiving the notice of pending appeal - this is what us suppose to happen but as we can see it doesn't happen in reality. They take way longer up to and past the review deadline after which the tribunal just sets a hearing date.

[Annonymous]

Hi
What this means is that the respondent (UKVI) are instructed to send their grounds for upholding their decision along with any supporting documents to the Tribunal within 28 days of receiving the notice of pending appeal - this is what us suppose to happen but as we can see it doesn't happen in reality. They take way longer up to and past the review deadline after which the tribunal just sets a hearing date.

Hi March2015,

you are absolutely right those were the exact words of my lawyers/representative as well. he also said that they rarely issue visa in the review deadlines. so any body hoping to get a reply from UKVI in the review, the chances are very slim for that. I know that's sad but that's how it is. I think its contempt of court as well but don't know why the Government didn't get charged for that. if I dis obey a court order I'll get arrested the next second. but the Government doesn't really have to face any consequences of even disobeying court orders and clearly ignoring them.

My lawyer said that in 99% of the cases which goes to the appeals the success rate is 99% just because of the reason that the UKVI hasn't got any proofs to back their refusal decision and in the end they have to issue the visa. I just wish that they bring the law that UKVI has to pick up the legal fees of both sides as well I wish I'll hammer them with at least good £10 to £30 K pounds just in legal cost.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application

[Raymandosnr]

People don't be so glum I personally know my friend who was given his visa in the appeal process within a month or two of his appeal and he didn't even meet the financial requirement.

His chances were very slim but alhamdulilah he got the visa, all this about there is little hope etc is nonsence there only decision maker is Allah so put your faith in his hands as Allah knows best and if you know someone going hajj as them for duas

[stillwaiting123]

People don't be so glum I personally know my friend who was given his visa in the appeal process within a month or two of his appeal and he didn't even meet the financial requirement.

His chances were very slim but alhamdulilah he got the visa, all this about there is little hope etc is nonsence there only decision maker is Allah so put your faith in his hands as Allah knows best and if you know someone going hajj as them for duas

Yes I personally know a lot of people who have also got visas in review stage

[Annonymous]

Hi All,

I do really apologies I didn't mean to disheartened any body at all from my post.

Its just that I haven't met any one who got the visa in the review stage and later got it on the date of actual hearing and I am not saying this at all these are the words of my lawyer/representative who deals with appeals cases every day so he was sharing his own personal experience with me. I didn't mean to any one to loose hope at all.

Even I still remember my X wife case back in the year 2010, I haven't heard any thing back in the review deadline period and even at that time I got the Visa on the Actual hearing date.

Well I am hoping and keeping Faith on Almighty Allah that Insha Allah Allah will help all of us Insha Allah in getting the visa in review stage Insha Allah AAMIN.

Remember me in your prayers and I'll also remember every one in my prayers.

Good luck to every one for their appeals/spouse visa application

[i.need.help]

Annonymous

Have you really spent £10,000+ on legal fees? It's sooooooooooo much! I don't think it'll be £30,000 that's crazy.

[Annonymous]

Hi i.need.help

When you make a claim you don't claim for the Original amount spent you need to add personal damages and legal compensations to the amount claim as well.

Have you ever made a personal damage claims in the court if not then you need to get knowledge around this area first that how you make the claim.

I don't think that any body would have asked such a "stupid" question what you have asked and I never said in my post that I have spent that much on the legal fees. I just have said that I wish I can hammer UKVI for the amounts. Just a good piece of advice think before you are asking any thing read my post carefully and I never ever said that I've spent these amounts.

I don't mind really and I don't really care if you don't reply to my post but I do take this in to serious consideration that when some one reply for my post must have read it carefully before pointing their fingers at me.

[i.need.help]

Hi i.need.help

When you make a claim you don't claim for the Original amount spent you need to add personal damages and legal compensations to the amount claim as well.

Have you ever made a personal damage claims in the court if not then you need to get knowledge around this area first that how you make the claim.

I don't think that any body would have asked such a "stupid" question what you have asked and I never said in my post that I have spent that much on the legal fees. I just have said that I wish I can hammer UKVI for the amounts. Just a good piece of advice think before you are asking any thing read my post carefully and I never ever said that I've spent these amounts.

I don't mind really and I don't really care if you don't reply to my post but I do take this in to serious consideration that when some one reply for my post must have read it carefully before pointing their fingers at me.

I think you should stay focused on your appeal and not hype about hammering for any amount. Even after the appeal process has ended, you should focus on the future/family life instead of (if you do) filing a claim for £10k-£30k (or any amount) and spending further more years paying legal fees and stressing over the whole case.

Just my humblest opinion.

Who pointed their fingers at you?

[Annonymous]

Hi,

Thanks for your advice I'll take you advice on board.

I am staying focus on my appeal I never said that I am claiming any sort of damages I just mentioned that I wished if I can possibly do that I'll be the first one to do it.

I am so frustrated from the poor performance of UKVI that it just drives me mad. I've shouted enough time. Personally Contacted Keith Vaz the Chairman of the Home Affairs select Committee regarding issues of UKVI. Also raised the question about the extremely poor and appalling performance of UKVI as compared to the amount charged in the form of fee in the PM question times as well.

Nothing really seems to be working even after all of my complains, well in a way I do also feel sorry for them cause I've personally attended the preceding of the Home Affairs select committee Chaired by Ketih Vaz when I was working for BSKYB at that time Brodie Clark was the head of UKBA and he said clearly that he can't help it with the no of staff available to him at that time and what the Government did is made it more difficult just by dividing the staff now and making two different government departments instead of increasing the no of staff which will help them in solving the problems I am not claiming that I'm clever than everyone else but the Government decisions are just full of stupidity and they just do it in an attempt to reduce cost and they'll end up spending more.

I do really apologies from you unreservedly if you find me a bit harsh. but its just a fact that you are really not aware from my share hard work around improving this Govt Dept.

[i.need.help]

Hi,

Thanks for your advice I'll take you advice on board.

I am staying focus on my appeal I never said that I am claiming any sort of damages I just mentioned that I wished if I can possibly do that I'll be the first one to do it.

I am so frustrated from the poor performance of UKVI that it just drives me mad. I've shouted enough time. Personally Contacted Keith Vaz the Chairman of the Home Affairs select Committee regarding issues of UKVI. Also raised the question about the extremely poor and appalling performance of UKVI as compared to the amount charged in the form of fee in the PM question times as well.

Nothing really seems to be working even after all of my complains, well in a way I do also feel sorry for them cause I've personally attended the preceding of the Home Affairs select committee Chaired by Ketih Vaz when I was working for BSKYB at that time Brodie Clark was the head of UKBA and he said clearly that he can't help it with the no of staff available to him at that time and what the Government did is made it more difficult just by dividing the staff now and making two different government departments instead of increasing the no of staff which will help them in solving the problems I am not claiming that I'm clever than everyone else but the Government decisions are just full of stupidity and they just do it in an attempt to reduce cost and they'll end up spending more.

I do really apologies from you unreservedly if you find me a bit harsh. but its just a fact that you are really not aware from my share hard work around improving this Govt Dept.

Just a good piece of advice think before you are asking any thing read my post carefully and I never ever said that you said you will be making a claim.

Anyways, good luck at trying to bring any sort of change within the visa system. You might be trying forever without any positive outcome though.

Apology accepted. I know you must be stressed over all this, because it's been years. But keeping your cool will help you get through it better.

[Raymandosnr]

Anybody affected in their visa application by the their Cambridge English ex getting refused please let me know as I will be calling Cambridge English tomorrow as I can get in touch with their UKVI relations officer and tell her the situation as then it will help speed up our appeals

Also people who have been rejected by this reason of Cambridge English please post your eco name or initials, like mine was JC and did you submit your confirmation of Entry or secret number and ID with your visa application

[Pak86]

What's this means review deadline ???

What will happen after that deadline will reached ??

Many thanks waiting for your useful replies.

Basically once u have lodged an appeal (within 28 days of when u get refusal) you get a confirmation that they have received it, then normally 1-3 weeks late payment is taken from your bank account (£80 paper hearing. £140 oral hearing) oral is best (in my opinion) as a lawyer can represent u and give your side in court whereas a paper hearing they go with just everything u have provided on paper.

Once payment has been taken it takes 4-6 weeks for an appeal notice to be sent out, this is sent to Islamabad embassy and yourself as well the lawyer (if u have one). On this appeal notice is a review deadline (15 weeks from appeal notice e.g i received mine 14th July and my deadline is 27th October) during the review period the ECO has the chance to re look at the papers with the new proof/supporting documents u have provided, this normally takes 4-8 weeks sometimes even less and if they are satisfied then decision is overturned and appeal is withdrawn and they call you to submit passport within 10 days.

however if review is not successful then they refuse and u have to wait for a court date which can be anything from 4-6 months

Does the review deadline mean you will get the decision of whether visa is granted or not on that date?