Has EEA FP changed???

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:11 pm

This has really put my mind at ease somewhat, thank you.

I have discussed this with Elio and we are now trying to work out the following...

Should we go to the UK just before we actually move to get this A1 permit and to then file the EEA2 and send it off and then come back to arrange things and pack things up here

OR

Do we need to do this in one hit at the actual time we move?

We would only go over for 5/6 days the first time to get this sorted and to find a house to live in and put a deposit down etc.
We would stay with my parents in this time.

Lastly, can someone please send me a link to prove that it is OK to get the A1 card at the boarder at the airport in the UK, in case we get someone who does not know what we are talking about or asking for.
We would feel safer if we have something printed off to show what we are there asking for... if this makes sense.

Sorry if the above is mumbo jumbo.

Many thanks to you all again.
Lisa.

Post by **Jambo** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:47 pm

Lisamra wrote:This has really put my mind at ease somewhat, thank you.

I have discussed this with Elio and we are now trying to work out the following...

Should we go to the UK just before we actually move to get this A1 permit and to then file the EEA2 and send it off and then come back to arrange things and pack things up here

OR

Do we need to do this in one hit at the actual time we move?

We would only go over for 5/6 days the first time to get this sorted and to find a house to live in and put a deposit down etc.
We would stay with my parents in this time.

Lastly, can someone please send me a link to prove that it is OK to get the A1 card at the boarder at the airport in the UK, in case we get someone who does not know what we are talking about or asking for.
We would feel safer if we have something printed off to show what we are there asking for... if this makes sense.

Sorry if the above is mumbo jumbo.

Many thanks to you all again.
Lisa.

The code 1A stamp is a single entry stamp. Also the EEA2 requires you to send your passports so in practice there is no point doing it on your first visit although you can practice getting the code 1A stamp at the border (it can be used also for visits, not just settlement).

See Q1 in EEA FAQs - Common Questions - Read before posting - EEA Family Permit and the link to the Border manual there (note that as a UK return citizen you will need to provide additional proof of your work and residence in Spain to what the FAQ list).

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:24 pm

Thank you so much Jambo and everyone who has helped. x

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:22 pm

Also bear in mind that if you apply in Madrid, you will likely have to wait for an appointment and wait a number of weeks for a decision.

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:38 am

You are right EUsmileWEallsmile.

This is the thing that worries me the most... the decision.
They would still have the right to turn Elio away at the boarder I am guessing.
We have all the documents that are asked for so hopefully that will not be the case.
I guess I am fretting as we don't want to get there and have a nightmare with the officer on duty.

Providing all goes well, how long should the process take from when we get off the plane?
Will we be escorted to separate rooms and questioned about eachother etc... I don't mind if that is the case, I just want to know what to expect really.

Thank you.

Post by **Jambo** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:51 am

How long you spend at the airport would depend how familiar is the IO with EEA regulations. If you feel he is not so sure what to do, ask for the Chief Immigration Officer (or the shift manager). The process would definitely involve the IO going into the back office to do some checks with the HO systems. A quick decision would probably take 5-10 minutes but it can also take 30 minutes. I don't believe they will question your relationship or interview you in seperate rooms. They can't really turn him back. What they can do is to give him temporary admission for him to appeal in country.

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:31 pm

Read through http://www.ukresident.com/content/artic ... -card-r142

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:49 pm

Hi folks.

Just a little update...

We have booked our flights to the UK (East Midlands airport) for just 6 days in September so we can find a house to rent and to put a deposit down. Very exciting but very nervous at the same time.

After the 6 days we will come back to Tenerife and pack up etc.
The main reason for doing the 6 days in September is to get this A1 card and then we can relax knowing there will be no issues when we return one month later in October to live.

When we apply for the EEA2 once we are back in October should we fill out the necessary forms and then post them or go directly to where we need to go to personally? would it make a difference to the time we need to wait for a decision?

I spoke to my parents this evening and they were saying that they are slightly concerned as there was a story on the news of a British woman wanting her Tunisian husband to be in the UK with her while she gives birth to their child, he did not meet the £18,000 criteria and was sent straight back on the plane.
I know that this is the leave to remain which is different but it amazes me how the leave to remain and the EEA are so different.

Could this happen to us? or is it really totally different?

Sorry for the questions again on this, I am just so worried about Elio getting turned away like that Tunisian man did as he was married to a British woman too, like myself.

Post by **Jambo** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:14 pm

* As East Midlands is a regional airport, the staff might not be very familiar with Surinder Singh and Code 1A (because they don't see many). Be patient with them. Ask to speak to the Chief Immigration Officier if needed.

* Code 1A is a single entry so make sure to carry the evidence again with you in October although hopefully it would be quicker second time.

* Point your parents at this BBC News article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23029195

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:33 pm

Thank you Jambo.

Should I print sone info from the ukba and if so, what?
Also, should I write a letter explaining our situation and why we want to live in the UK?

Thank you.

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:07 pm

Read http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2010/08 ... to-travel/ if you plan to travel without a visa. May be worth printing it out.

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:35 pm

Thank you, I will print this out to bring with me.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:51 am

Alternatively, enter the UK together as you've done before and apply for a residence card after arrival. You do so by post.

Is there a special reason why you would want the code1 stamp?

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:05 am

Hi there.
Originally I was asking advice about the EEA fp and was advised that this would be a much easier way. All on this threa. I was told that it would save time and money flying to Madrid first and that the A1 card works in exactly the same way.
We were planning to go toMadrid first but this would be much better for us.

How long can it take to get the EEA2 if you go in person? has anyone done this as I am wondering if this is an idea as we will be there for 6 days and then

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:10 am

Sorry, pressed submit by mistake.

I was just finishing by saying that as we are going to be there for 6 days is there a way to perhaps get the EEA2 during this te if we go in person?

I just want to get all we can done and would hate to put a hefty deposit down on a house to be turned away, this is why I want security first if that makes sence.

Oh I don't know what to do re that as that's the main reason to go, to find is somewhere to live before we officially move in October.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:38 pm

OK, at some point in time, your husband should apply for a residence card. It will allow him to demonstrate his right to work and will facilitate travel. It will take up to six months to issue.

He is a non-visa national. He would be unlikely to have problems entering the UK as a visitor (if say you both visit your ill mother in September). He could alternatively enter as the family member of a returning British worker (family permit or argue your case at the border).

A residence card can be applied for with or without a family permit or code 1.

So, unless you have a specific reason for obtaining code 1, I would not think it necessary to make a special trip to obtain one.

The crucial point in all this is that you have evidence that you lived together in another EU state, that you are married and that you were a worker whist there. If so, it would all be quite straightforward.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:40 pm

Lisamra wrote:Sorry, pressed submit by mistake.

(Incidentally and for future reference, you can edit your posts, you can also delete a post you've just made as long as no one else responds to it).

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:49 pm

I replied on my phone and was not sure how to edit etc, the writing is also much smaller etc than ipad or laptop.

So, do you think it would be possible to get the eea2 when we are in the UK in September for the 6 days if we go in person with all the relevant documents etc?
I would just like piece of mind that we have it before we start putting chunky deposits down on a house. I would be much more relaxed to then do so.

Many thanks.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:16 am

Lisamra wrote:I replied on my phone and was not sure how to edit etc, the writing is also much smaller etc than ipad or laptop.

I understand this completely, it can indeed by hard to do this.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:18 am

Lisamra wrote: So, do you think it would be possible to get the eea2 when we are in the UK in September for the 6 days if we go in person with all the relevant documents etc?
I would just like piece of mind that we have it before we start putting chunky deposits down on a house. I would be much more relaxed to then do so.

Many thanks.

It is highly unlikely that a residence card would be issued in the timeframe you outline. The application is postal, both your passports would have to be sent away and while you can request them back, others have posted that even this takes time.

If you worked in another EU state, etc the application will stand.

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:43 am

Would it be a possibility to get the A1 card on our September trip and then to get another for the October when we plan to stay?
Would it make the process more straight forward if Elio has an A1 card already as we could just say that we needed to return to Tenerife for an 'emergency' or to clear things up here.

I just think it would be a huge risk to potentially loose a lot of money by putting a deposit down on a house to then find that there is a problem as we would have given up our house here etc.
Do you see what I mean?

I guess there is nothing that we can do to secure ourselves a little before we go in September and I have to be honest... That worries me a little.

I am so sorry if it seems that I keep repeating myself on this thread and I do feel like a burden with all of my questions but this is a major step in our lives and I want to feel a little more at ease before giving up our lives here and putting the deposit down there as that is the purpose of our September trip.

Post by **Directive/2004/38/EC** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:03 am

Residence Card can only be applied for by post. You need to assume it will take 6 months to process.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:15 pm

I will repeat once more...

If you worked in another member state and your husband lived with you there, you will have no problem. This would be the case if you applied for a family permit, arrived at border without or simply turned up and applied by post.

Whatever you do, the above test will be applied every time you make an application, whether at the border, in Madrid or by post...

Lisamra · Post by **Lisamra** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:29 pm

Thank you and sorry for being so slow and taking longer to understand things, I am just nervous about it all and just want everything to go smoothly for us.

Post by **EUsmileWEallsmile** » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:42 pm

Lisamra wrote:Thank you and sorry for being so slow and taking longer to understand things, I am just nervous about it all and just want everything to go smoothly for us.

Absolutely, no criticism intended. If you have questions, post back.

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