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mischa, there is fine line between steely determination and brutish thuggishness and I feel you have made a cross onto the other side. John's contribution and attitude in this forum is never a topic for debate and many a time he has quite rightly corrected applicants from making mistakes before they apply. To the best of his knowledge and others, he informed you not wanting you to make any mistakes and even left room for corrections.et al. who disagreed with me.. did you even read my post?
Indeed. The requirement is that you have income, and not that you have a national insurance number. So if you don't have one, that cannot be held against you.Koryo wrote:As for the National Insurance question, although there is a box (6.9.1) specifically for the NI number, your partner will be applying in 6.1.1 as the PCP of "someone settled, or going to settle, in the UK", so there is, by implication IMO, an acceptance that the sponsor may not yet have an NI number.
The UK immigration law is incredible complex, so I would not hold it against anyone to get it wrong. It is not just the amount of legislation and precedences, but also the continuous redefinition of terms, the way it all interacts, and the debate on whether a certain interaction was intended or just happened by mistake... Even (or especially?) the Home Office seems to be caught in this complexity more often then you would expect.It's a worry that the one person who advertises a qualification on this thread 1. initially gave the impression you couldn't sponsor and 2. when told you could, thought your partner wouldn't have to pay for it.
Actually, John was right about the EEA family permit being free of charge. It's just that you would need to prove 2 years prior cohabitation, i.e. joint bank accounts, rental agreements, utility bills etc..your partner wouldn't have to pay for it.
This text, with all its caveats, is precisely correct.mischa wrote: So, in a nutshell.. it is still correct that as an EEA national exercising my treaty rights I CAN INDEED SPONSOR MY PROPOSED CIVIL PARTNER AND SHE CAN APPLY USING FORM VAF4 because I am considered "present & settled" for the sole purpose of sponsoring my proposed civil partner, and I do not need to be a permanent resident. Right?
What I don't understand in all this is that no consideration appears to be being given to getting "married" outside the UK, and thus cutting out the circa £500 fee for applying for a Proposed Civil Partner visa. Earlier in this topic I posted a link to a list of the ceremonies that the UK considers equivalent to a UK Civil Partnership.An entry clearance is required. The application attracts a fee.
Is a certificate held? Isn't it the case that simply because EU Treaty Rights are being exercised in the UK, in accordance with the EU regulations that came into force on 30.04.06, there is no longer an obligation for an EU Citizen to use form EEA1 to apply for a Residence Permit. They came if they want, but any such Permit is merely confirmatory. It gives no additional rights.transpondia wrote:Your certificate functions as a residence permit for the purposes of p290 and bringing in a pcp.
While that is true, it IS a requirement to obtain this registration certificate (formerly called a residence permit) for the purpose of importing a fiance(e) or proposed civil partner.there is no longer an obligation for an EU Citizen to use form EEA1 to apply for a Residence Permit
Who said anything about 2000 Regulations?You need to read that paragraph again. Your certificate would not have been issued under the 2000 regulations because those were phased out in 2006.
That might be interesting. The nice thing about the EU law is that you automatically acquire the rights once the requirements are fulfilled. This means you can get into the UK on a visitor visa, and then stay based on the EU rights.mischa wrote:Actually, the UK does have a visitor visa that allows you to register a civil partnership, it costs only £63 (however, you have to stay in the country for 22 days before you can actually have your ceremony; 7 days before you can give notice and then 15 days waiting time)
That is true & IMO quite useful information posted by transpondia!Your partner is on the 5 year track, and not the 2 year track.
I think in the example above, you surely mean (if the sponsor is a British citizen or has PR)If you apply for entry clearance using form VAF4 for settlement to register a civil partnership or get married you do not need the CoA. Once 'civilised', my partner will then have to apply for further leave to remain (unless the sponsor is a British citizen or PR) in order to be able to start working, which costs an additional £395 (for postal applications, £595 if you apply in person - which takes only one day). This must be done before the initial 6 month period on the proposed civil partner or fiance(e) visa runs out.. guidance can be found here
Sorry you're having difficulty with it. Both ILPA and JCWI offer courses and other materials that may be helpful in understanding immigration law. If you further don't understand something, you can always visit here and ask!Docterror wrote:transpondia, your post does not seem to add any further information to answer a particular question and the extra information creates confusion even in my head. In fact, I am still trying to wrap my head around
Actually, transpondia.. the entry clearance officer would most definitely refuse the visa if there is any doubt that the non-EEA proposed civil partner will leave the UK after the initial 6 month period, i.e. we would have to go somewhere else (probably Austria) to live there for a few months and then come back to the UK under EEA law.