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Post by PaperPusher » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:11 pm

shakal

Are you posting because you want advice still?

Are you the person who overstayed a WP?

You will need to give a bit more detail for advice.

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Post by Frontier Mole » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:13 pm

jei2 wrote:Frontier Mole,

I think you are undoubtedly harsh in some cases and come across as if you don't give a damn. Exasperation I guess - I can relate to that.

However sometimes you have to look at the situation that people find themselves in.

If the UK economy came down to bread and butter- or worse still bread or butter, civil war etc, many British citizens would have no compunction in trying to make their lives better elsewhere in the same way that some people here have.

Quite often people think a good adviser is one who has a solution that they want to hear - ie a quick guaranteed fix-it. That's why so many pay out thousands, and then end on a forum like this bawling their eyes out.

Even then they don't want to hear the advice that sounds bad. One can only keep trying to get the message accross. In this case I agree with you. Unless this individual can provide some stronger background evidence about their case, there really isn't any chance of being granted leave to remain.
Thanks for the support and the constructive feedback :D

Grasping at straws is more the phrase I would use. I know desperate people will try desperate things, however getting them to realise the risks and potential pitfalls is no bad thing. I have seen the worst excesses of the immigration industry, however I am still never surprised that it still continues. Lets face it the client base is endless and the really bad practitioners do not readily get shouted down as their clients are more than likely to be the ones removed.

The crap I hear is unbelievable, "I win 90% of appeals", "never lost a deport yet" " don't you worry, I guarantee bail will be granted." - It is all wind of the worst order. And worse still half of the a-holes believe their own propaganda!!

The facts speak volumes. 80% of asylum appeals are dismissed. 90% of criminal deport appeals are dismissed. Half of all immigration appeals’ are dismissed. 14 year ILR claims - 90% dismissed. 80% of bail applications are refused. So who the F*** are these great immigration specialists who so readily buck the trend. I certainly could not point one out, never mind name them

You are correct I do not particularly care what happens to some of the individuals on the forum. I make that clear when there is an immigration abuse. Others I offer sensible and constructive advice. Their thanks and gratitude is stated on the forum and I have many a PM expressing the same.

Desperate idiots and fools are easily parted from their money, many a golf club subscription or private school fee belies the truth in our industry. God forbid we tell the punter the truth and don't take their money..... Long live false hope, pointless appeals, senseless submissions, appalling applications and every success to the grasping money orientated individuals that pray on the vulnerable.

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Post by PaperPusher » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:27 pm

There are people who relish taking on hopeless cases when there is a point of law that they want the court to say something about. Some of them even do it for free. Not all representatives or solicitors are bad.

One caveat is that those who boast 100% success rates could be dropping clients at the first sign of a battle.

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Post by Frontier Mole » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:36 am

I totally agree, not all reps or solicitors / barristers are bad. I would go as far as to say the majority are representing their clients to a good standard and take care and diligence with the cases they have. What I am less likely to say is that there is a great deal of pragmatism. How hopeless does hopeless have to be before you turn to the client and really point out the lack of merits of their case. I know there is always the vague hope that a case might be the one to turn the tide. Who would have thought third party Art 8 consideration would get the thumbs up!

Those that do pro bono I have the utmost respect for, hopeless case or not. I guess they balance the gold diggers at the bottom of the heap.

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Post by sammy79 » Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:52 pm

Please some body help!

These laws can be really confusing!.

What happens to individuals who left the UK voluntarily on their own expense in 2007 after overstaying their visas ( before the April 1, 2008 enforcement...about anyone who had previoulsy breached immigrations rules)

26.17.8 Refusals under 320(7B) where the applicant has previously breached immigration law in the UK.

How will applications for entry clearance made before the April 1, 2008..to return to the UK be treated?

Thanks

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