userDoesNotExist wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 pm
Jumbo, I did not disagree with any of your points. As you said, that is capitalism, and many people treat a country as a company. They will go where they can have a better life. I am saying that a country can do all the things you said, but I do not believe it is that SIMPLE since that could hurt them in the long term. If you think a country does not need NON-EU people, you can also look at the doctors here. Why would countries have work permits in the first place? Also, men, you are super passive-aggressive. Just look at a psychologist or something like that. You may need to check this anger inside you.
Cheers and peace!
Citizenship is discretionary. The Minister can refuse to open applications for it. Immigrants have no right to citizenship of Ireland (or any host country that they come to ) so there is no point going on about the tax they pay and how they could have gone somewhere else - that arrogant (but true) statement is basically saying you need me more than I need you. It is arrogant because, as I pointed out, The State will get others to fill your spot - the EU is HUGE.
If your residency was risk, then fair enough , you are correct. But this is about citizenship applications.
Citizenship , for
ANY country is about more than someone living here and working here and gaining whatever societal advantages on offer (I know, that does sound funny considering how bad things are in Ireland - certainly not here for the weather) .
It is not for MERCANCERIES but for people who want to become full part of that society and have proven to have fully integrated and wish to integrate further - hence why groups like the Italians, Germans and Baltic countries demand evidence of exams in history and culture and politics (admittingly, I think that is an awful lot - but to be fair to the candidate of 8 years residency, they probably would easily pass that exam)
The sooner applicants understand this, the better. It would save them a lot of embarrassing ill informed online rants and the bursting of bubbles with regard to their notions and they won't get hurt feelings when they are hit with the truth.
Ireland's current demands are extremely fair (delays in processing are shocking) and there is little to suggest that they are going to change .
On the contrary, the State are looking to fill the gaps of certain Irish born child who could be declared Irish Citizens as of birth due to well known Supreme Court case in 2003 and its subsequent Referendum. Basically , after 2005, some kids are not Irish citizens. They would have to wait until either (a) they became 18 or (b) wait until their parent who finally got legal status (often under the 2005 or 2007 IBC scheme ) and then got citizenship. The new proposed law (coming soon) shall allow the child to apply for Irish Citizenship once their parent had 3 years legal residency (so it does not matter whether that parent ever applied for citizenship themselves) It is a small gesture, but significant when you consider that the child will be an Irish citizen just in time before stuff like this becomes important ie when they hit teenage years
So, I don't see any big rule changes that the OP raised (perfectly correct to point out it could happen) . Language tests are needed though .
"If you think a country does not need NON-EU people, you can also look at the doctors here. Why would countries have work permits in the first place?"
I did not say that ! I said they will have no problem finding other Non EU people who are willing to come over and work . I also pointed out that we also have a huge EU market (which includes Non EU family)
The raising of doctors and nurses, while valid is a sore pointer for Ireland due to the thousands of Irish doctors and nurses that Ireland produces each year, but leave. Politically and socially, this could be fixed. The public would prefer to see the Irish government and HSE reform the health service and seek to keep Irish doctors and nurses in Ireland and thus reduce the need for Non EU doctors and nurses to only the specialists.
"Also, men, you are super passive-aggressive. Just look at a psychologist or something like that. You may need to check this anger inside you."
You are soft! Grow up . You clearly have issues with being told that you are wrong !
No aggression here and there is mostly certainly no anger ! Total amusement as to the false sense of entitlement from you two people.
You sound like a typical millennial .