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meandmyfriends
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Post by meandmyfriends » Sun May 30, 2010 10:46 pm

Hello,

I am in a simillar situation. I am Republic Of Moldova (non-Member State) citizen. I have an "EC long-term residence" permit (in terms of Directive 2003/109/EC) issued by Romanian authorities. It was issued based on 5 yars legal stay and is valid for next 5 years.

I am going to Slovenia this summer so I asked their ambassy in Bucharest (they do not have Consulate in Bucharest). They replied that I do have need a visa or have to be married to an UE citizen. After doing some research I found the site of their Interior Ministry which explicitly states that EC long-term residents can stay in Slovenia up to 3 months without visa, just having the permit. Here is the link:
http://www.mnz.gov.si/en/mnz_for_you/fo ... e_country/

After presenting this site to Ambassy representative they said that I am right.

I do not blame them, probably they do not have "customers" like me every day. For sure they do not have, because it is an Ambassy, not Consulate. Still I am prepared to have problems at the border control - their police may be not aware of this law as well.

Bearing in mind my future potential travels I have asked consulates of several CE Member States whether or not I am allowed to enter without visa. I am always speaking about short touristic stays.

All of them, like Slovenian's, responded negative: Spain, Italy and France.

I replyed "what about 2003/109/EC?" and brought Slovenia as an example of possible positive response. The lady from French consulate was very helpfull and explained me that whereas France is part of Schengen Treaty, Romania is not, so there is no way for me to avoid visa application and sent me to Slovenia, "as they have better conditions for me", or to Romanian Border Police for advice. (Slovenia is in Schengen too).

Spain and Italy did not answered yet.

Waiting for their answers I did some research about 2003/109/EC implementions, which led to following results:

I found an immigration company stating that visa is not necessary for EC long-term residence to enter Italy but I guess it has no value for border police:
http://www.mpimmigration.com/index.php? ... 7&Itemid=1

Slovenia: positive (clear stated).
http://www.mnz.gov.si/en/mnz_for_you/fo ... e_country/

Finland: positive (slightly ambiguous).
http://www.migri.fi/netcomm/content.asp ... anguage=EN

Latvia: negative (clear stated).
http://www.pmlp.gov.lv/en/pakalpojumi/eiropa.html

Cititation from Latvian site: "The visas will be necessary ... because the
Directive 2003/109/EC applies to the residence of persons in one of the
countries but not to the traveling"


Formally they may be right, IMHO. The Directive does not explicitly states that I do not need visa for short touristic stays. On the other hand I think that I am quite logical when, from Directive's goal and statement that I need residence permit for stays longer than 3 months, I draw a conclusion that I do not need one for shorter stays.

What I am going to use in my discutions whith Member States authorities is Article 11 "Equal treatment", paragraph 1, point (h):

1. Long-term residents shall enjoy equal treatment with nationals as regards:
...
(h) free access to the entire territory of the Member State concerned, within the limits provided for by the national legislation for reasons of security.


Does anybody know what legal meaning for Member States do have EC Directives? Are they just a "guide-lines" or all Member States are obliged to implement them? In my opinion it's more like guide-lines because it is full of ambiguities like "free access" and "within the limits provided for by the national legislation" in the same proposition. So every Member State is actually free to proceed as they wish. One thing all states have implemented, they renamed their old kind of residence permits to "EC long-term residence".

Please keep updated this thread with information how you managed, or failed, to use your "EC long-term residency" for free movement withing EC. So will I.

Good luck.


Link to the Directive I used:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 109:en:NOT

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