Immigration Cap

[Sky_High]

Lets see whats happen tomorrow. I hope that they will clearly indicate that what they want to do.

I still belive that 24100 cap will not hurt the immigrants a lot because as per BBC its only 5% less than last year.

[ash210]

If a cap of 24100 is to be introduced, is it possible that the cap will be reached within a month?

I can't see this happening but would like to know your thoughts. I believe the cap to be reached by December 2010 making those who apply in the first 3 months (July, August & Sept) during the cap to be okay.

Are my assumptions correct?

I dont think so mate,if you see the number of applications each year for hsmp or tier1 and workpermits is 300,000 so if the limit is 24k and people will rush to apply sooner than later this will be reached within a month so my assumption is maximum 45 it will take to fill up that temp cap
what say guys?

[MJNair]

300,000 a year?
I thought T1 visas were only about 50,000 a year.
BBC reports a 5% reduction from the previous years.
T2 visas may be more taking into account ICTs as well.

[GSOtodd]

I don't think these changes will be applied retrospectively. Also, it is good to bear in mind that Tier 2 people have reason to expect to be able to settle if they stayed employed, stayed on the right side of the law, and contribute to the economy, like myself. I make a good salary but just miss the cut off for being able to apply for Tier 1. There are a lot of highly skilled migrants on Tier 2 as well.

[manishmittal]

The more worrying part is that they are going to bring in cap in April 2011 for those as well who are in country at that time. That could eventually mean that they may put cap on ILR/PR as well or may not renew Tier 1 visa by putting more restrictions. They may not renew Tier 2 visa at all after it expires. One thing is certain its uphill from hereon.

source please? OR did you imagined this one in your dream?

For me this cap is similar to H1/others, new main applicants T1/T2 (within or outside). Others not affected.

Wait and see. You will be the first to be kicked out of this country for sure.

[manishmittal]

The more worrying part is that they are going to bring in cap in April 2011 for those as well who are in country at that time. That could eventually mean that they may put cap on ILR/PR as well or may not renew Tier 1 visa by putting more restrictions. They may not renew Tier 2 visa at all after it expires. One thing is certain its uphill from hereon.

that is impossible. they can not put a cap on people already in the UK. All they can do is to make it tough to extend the visa.
They can get rid of Tier 1 but they have to come up with some alternative for people extending their tier 1 (remember hsmp to tier 1?)
Putting cap on ILR is impossible, again they'd make it difficult to get ILR

Nothing is impossible. What will you do if they decide there is nothing like ILR or they decide not to naturalize anybody just like middle eastern countries. They won't do is different thing but saying that they can't do is nonsense. For me if you want to live in fools paradise its your choice.

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The more worrying part is that they are going to bring in cap in April 2011 for those as well who are in country at that time. That could eventually mean that they may put cap on ILR/PR as well or may not renew Tier 1 visa by putting more restrictions. They may not renew Tier 2 visa at all after it expires. One thing is certain its uphill from hereon.

that is impossible. they can not put a cap on people already in the UK. All they can do is to make it tough to extend the visa.
They can get rid of Tier 1 but they have to come up with some alternative for people extending their tier 1 (remember hsmp to tier 1?)
Putting cap on ILR is impossible, again they'd make it difficult to get ILR

Nothing is impossible. What will you do if they decide there is nothing like ILR or they decide not to naturalize anybody just like middle eastern countries. They won't do is different thing but saying that they can't do is nonsense. For me if you want to live in fools paradise its your choice.

because when you applied for tier 1 hsmp etc you signed the papers saying you would get the ILR after 5 years provided you meet the requirement set at the time

[sa41]

Will it affect the Youth Mobility Visa?

[*FC*]

No wonder, the cap will ultimately be in place for the good of Immigrant community!

However, I wonder how some people here are confirming "facts", as if they work in 10 Downing street and have overheard the conversation between the PM and Home Secretary!

[*FC*]

Will it affect the Youth Mobility Visa?

Not sure but I think you can contact relevant people at the link below:

http://www.number10.gov.uk/footer/contact-us

Please let us know what you have heard from them. Thanks!

[gopal_yendluri]

I wanted to apply on first week of august.
whether it affects me ?

[manishmittal]

The more worrying part is that they are going to bring in cap in April 2011 for those as well who are in country at that time. That could eventually mean that they may put cap on ILR/PR as well or may not renew Tier 1 visa by putting more restrictions. They may not renew Tier 2 visa at all after it expires. One thing is certain its uphill from hereon.

that is impossible. they can not put a cap on people already in the UK. All they can do is to make it tough to extend the visa.
They can get rid of Tier 1 but they have to come up with some alternative for people extending their tier 1 (remember hsmp to tier 1?)
Putting cap on ILR is impossible, again they'd make it difficult to get ILR

Nothing is impossible. What will you do if they decide there is nothing like ILR or they decide not to naturalize anybody just like middle eastern countries. They won't do is different thing but saying that they can't do is nonsense. For me if you want to live in fools paradise its your choice.

because when you applied for tier 1 hsmp etc you signed the papers saying you would get the ILR after 5 years provided you meet the requirement set at the time

1) There will be no ILR from July 2011
2) When there is no ILR, no question of meeting the requirements at the time.
3) Even if there was an ILR after 5 years, Govt may say, you should be earning £250,000 or more net of tax or your occupation should in shortage of occupation list which may have just one occupation say 'Scientists with 15 years experience with NASA'. I mean what you can do if Govt decides they do not want you? nothing. HSMP forum won the case because Govt. decided not to bring in legislation in the parliament. Court can not overrule what has been legislated in the parliament.

Nothing is impossible for this Govt.

[ChetanOjha]

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[John]

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Keep this topic on-topic!

Lots more detail now emerging. Have a read of the Ministerial Statement .... click here.

[Edit (3.15.pm : the link was most certainly working this morning, but is not working now. This morning the Ministerial Statement was clearly visible on the Home Office homepage, but it is no longer there.

Link will be reinstated when document is again visible.]

[renzokuken]

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Keep this topic on-topic!

Lots more detail now emerging. Have a read of the Ministerial Statement .... click here.

Wow, only 5400 Tier-1 (General) visa available for out-of-country application until April 2011 !

[Mayan12]

Wow, only 5400 Tier-1 (General) visa available for out-of-country application until April 2011 !

No only that - Looks like you have to score 80 points from July 19 to qulify!

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[MsNayak]

I am planning to migrate from Tier 2 to Tier 1. I have already submitted my Tier 1 application on June 18th 2010. (In Country Applicant)
- Will my application also be evaluated under the Cap limit?
- Or is it like the Cap is effective only for applications submitted after July 19 2010?

I'll be glad to have this confusion cleared.

[muhandis.ak]

From what I can gather from the ministerial statement, it says that this would be applicable from 19th July, so your application shouldn't come under the cap.

Kala

I am planning to migrate from Tier 2 to Tier 1. I have already submitted my Tier 1 application on June 18th 2010.
- Will my application also be evaluated under the Cap limit?
- Or is it like the Cap is effective only for applications submitted after July 19 2010?

I'll be glad to have this confusion cleared.

[coolguycp1]

John,

Can you check your link to Ministerial statement. It is not working.

[muhandis.ak]

yeah, the links not working. However, heres the full text of the statement pasted from another thread.

It is the government's aim to reduce levels of net migration back to the levels of the 1990s – tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands – over the lifetime of this Parliament. The Coalition’s Programme for Government, published on 20 May 2010, confirmed the Government’s intention to introduce an annual limit on the number of non-EU economic migrants admitted into the UK to live and work. I am announcing today our first steps to implement that commitment.

The government plans to implement the first full annual limits for the financial year beginning in April 2011. In advance of that, we wish to enable the fullest consultation with business and other sectors which have a significant interest in the implementation of limits on non-EU economic migration.

I am today launching a consultation on the mechanisms for implementing limits. This includes questions about the coverage of limits as well as the mechanics of how they will work in practice. This consultation also recognises the need to attract more high net worth migrants to the UK through the routes for Investors and Entrepreneurs and asks for views on how that can be achieved. A supporting consultation document can be found on the UK Border Agency website.

At the same time, I have today commissioned the independent Migration Advisory Committee to provide advice to the Government on the levels at which limits should be set for the first full year of their operation, in order to achieve the Government’s objective to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands over the Parliamentary term. In doing so, I have asked the Committee to consider the social and public service impacts of migration as well as the economic impacts. I have asked the Committee to provide this advice to me by the end of September. The Committee intends to consult fully with business and other interested groups in developing its advice.

It is important to ensure that today’s announcement does not lead to a surge in applications during this interim period. This would lead to an increase in net migration in 2010 and therefore larger reductions in future years as well as impacting on the UK Border Agency’s operations and undermining its ability to meet its service standards. I am therefore also today announcing a number of interim measures and I have laid a Statement of Changes to the Immigration Rules in support of these measures.

Firstly, I am introducing an interim limit on the number of out of country main applicants to Tier 1 (General). This route will be held flat from the equivalent periods for 2009 and the limit will therefore be 5,400. The Tier 1 routes for Investors, Entrepreneurs and the Post-Study route are not affected. In-country applicants are also excluded from the interim limit. To ensure that those who do come are the brightest and the best, I am also raising the Tier 1 (General) pass mark by 5 points for all new applicants.

Secondly, I am introducing an interim limit on the number of migrants who can be offered jobs by sponsor employers through Tier 2. Intra-Company Transfers, Ministers of Religion and Elite Sportspeople are excluded from this limit. The number of migrants who can be offered jobs in this period will be reduced by 1,300 - the equivalent of a 5% reduction across the Tier 1 and 2 routes to be covered by interim limits – and the interim limit for the relevant routes of Tier 2 will therefore be 18,700. The UK Border Agency will be contacting sponsors with full information about the implementation of the interim limit.

These interim measures will take effect from 19 July.

The UK Border Agency (UKBA) is also undertaking a review, which commenced on 1 June, which will take forward the government’s commitment to end the detention of children for immigration purposes. It will run for six weeks and the UK Border Agency is currently engaging with a range of experts and organisations. The outcome of the review will be reported back to me.

The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mrs Theresa May).

Date: Mon Jun 28 10:30:00 BST 2010

Source : http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk

John,

Can you check your link to Ministerial statement. It is not working.

[adnanmanzoor]

Where will these five points will be added? I am planning to apply on 12th July it means I will be exempted from this? right? need suggestions from the seniors.

[rizwan567]

IMHO pass score will simply increase from 75 to 80 points.


I have a question. As it is stated that £5400 tier 1 General applications will be approved in a year. Does this mean embassies around the world would stop accepting any new Tier 1 General application once the limit is met.

Will this cap be applied with any proportion from country to country?

Will this cap be applied on monthly basis, quaterly basis or yearly basis?

Is this 5 point increase for both incountry and out country applicants?

As it is said that there is 5% decrease in Tier 1 General, does this mean that last year only £5670 Tier 1 General applications were approved. I guess figure is higher than that......

[muhandis.ak]

IMO (just as per how the Apr 6, 2010 PBS changes were implemented), the 80 points requirement would apply for all applications being submitted on & after 19th July 2010. Also, from what I could gather from the ministerial statement, the 5 point increase would be in the overall score.

Kala

Where will these five points will be added? I am planning to apply on 12th July it means I will be exempted from this? right? need suggestions from the seniors.

[tahnyuh]

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