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Post by walrusgumble » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:21 pm

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It would have some time trying to explain this to the ECJ (ie restrictions on current member states) as it would infringe on non discrimination of nationalitites. Your right though that it is possible, but to be fair, its like say the world will end in 2012. If Europe had that attitude and treat that all will change in an undefined time period, then nothing would ever be done and the treaty and directives regarding freedom of movement, the core and most visable treaty right would be useless. THe concept of restricting jobs for their own has being dealt with a numberous occassions in the ECJ. In order to change this, a New treaty would need to be drafted and agreed by all countries
Not needed, if a member state decides to leave the EU, if it feels that membership no longer serves its national interest. You should understand that soveriegn nations can abrogate any treaty at any time.

Now if you suggest that it would be both legally and practically impossible to leave the EU, then you're talking about nations under occupation and even then you may find them forcing their way out of a union they no longer want to be in. It has happened before in other contexts. Not least in what is now the Republic of Ireland in the period up to 1922.

Or a member imposes "temporary" immigration controls and the others start following suit.

I don't want to start suggesting this is imminent tomorrow but it ought to be obvious that over a time period of 10 or 20 years or more, arrangements which are supposedly permanent can become temporary. Which means that if you choose to remain a foreigner relying on the willingness of your country to follow EU regulations, as opposed to a citizen of that country, you're vulnerable. And you're especially vulnerable if you're outside that country when the laws change and then you can't get back in.
Sorry i was writing with the assumption that the countries wished to remain within the EU as we know it now. Yes any country could leave tomorrow, but how many really would? If it happened, yes no treaty would be needed.

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Post by walrusgumble » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:38 pm

mktsoi wrote:i totally agreed with JAJ. things can change anytime. just look at the Trans Tasman agreement between Australia and New Zealand. Australia changed it if any New Zealander wants to have government subsidies education. they have to be Australian Citizen but years ago. kiwi can come an study here and have the same social benefits like the aussie. the way is going in EU now, the german flipped out so much money to bail out euro. if it keeps going like this, you never know what the more wealthier EU member states will do.

about the northern ireland thing someone mentioned in this post. UK government did put in lots of money over the year for NI. forget about the trouble created by british and the irish government. one of the main reason that uk government has not let go NI is uk own problem itself. if uk let go of northern ireland. guess what the scottish and welsh nationalist will say about that. but JAJ is right. the EU agreement can change anytime without anyone seeing it coming!
The UK ain't going to get rid of NI when a substantial part of that community wants to remain in the UK. Also, if we are to believe, even under Thatcher, the English government do not have any selfish reasons for keeping NI. If the people wished to join the Rep or become an idependent country, there is little the boys in Westminister can do about it.

As for the changes, please produce evidence that immigration changes in the EU have come out of nowhere? It normally takes 2-5 years before its implemented.

The difference is, people born in the North will be automatically Irish citizens under Bunreacht na hÉireann and / or the Citizenship Act. Our Right Hon Friend Mr Ian Paisley could walk into Kildare Street seeking an Irish Passport.

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Post by mktsoi » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:46 pm

The UK ain't going to get rid of NI when a substantial part of that community wants to remain in the UK.
Majority of the people in Hong Kong wanted to remain with UK and colonies. The UK Government handed back everything to China which was included certain part of Hong Kong that suppose to remain with UK.

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Post by Ben » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:04 pm

mktsoi wrote:
The UK ain't going to get rid of NI when a substantial part of that community wants to remain in the UK.
Majority of the people in Hong Kong wanted to remain with UK and colonies. The UK Government handed back everything to China which was included certain part of Hong Kong that suppose to remain with UK.
Indeed. They were screwed over with the invention of BN(O), too.
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Post by walrusgumble » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:26 pm

mktsoi wrote:
The UK ain't going to get rid of NI when a substantial part of that community wants to remain in the UK.
Majority of the people in Hong Kong wanted to remain with UK and colonies. The UK Government handed back everything to China which was included certain part of Hong Kong that suppose to remain with UK.
when you understand the history of both countries and terriorties, then come back to us on that!

over 100 years ago the uk entered a treaty /lease / contract and was bound to return hong knog to the chinese after the expiry of same. it was well known and foreseeable that the events of 1997 were going to happen even since the 1980's.

as for NI, i won't dispute what you say, particularily with david cameroon's conservatives in power (and a fine gael party can't be trusted), but there are constitutional safeguards in place to prevent that from happening. no one wants to go back to the old days, it tarnished far too many english politicans and with the 100 year secrets act to expire in 50 - 60 years time, when the real truth of dublin and monaghan comes out, the parties will want to mitigate their legacies to what they have done now and in the future. as a republican, its lazy and arrogant to think that all westminister has to do is sign over an the rights to no to the south. why won't sinn fein not do a poll to see if a united ireland is desirable in the north? (a) they might loose (b)it will cause serious violence and back lash from the unionists and intimidation. The people don't still fully trust each other and it would be an obstacle to try and get people use to the new regime after good friday.

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hi

Post by malikscompany » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:21 pm

why do you need Irish Citizenship if you are British..

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