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If you want to be absolutely sure 100% send a tenner to the police checking thing and if it's not on their computers than it won't appear when the HO check the system aswell. http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 473#925473Derivaz wrote:interesting; I thought it was a lot more seriousneoseal wrote:Local authority cautions does not come under convictions, however, the caution letter itself states the fraud act 2006. This is only applicable should the local authority proceed with court case. Local authority cautions are used for council tax fraud, misuse of disable badge, misuse of parking permits and scratch cards, inappropriate rubbish disposal, littering etc.
Its not going to pop up on any police computers or crb. Upto you to disclose it or not.
Cheers; I don't know about stress haha, they could still lose my certificate or it could have the wrong details on it (although it looks fine on the approval letter)... I'm supposed to get another invitation letter from the NCS, but haven't yet; I've called them today and they say I'll get it this week... if not, I guess I'll call them again on Friday to let them know i didn't get it and turn up on the day with the HO letter and my ID; they said the HO letter is enough.feliteodor wrote:A big congratulations to you then! Don't worry, the hardest part of it is finished for you, what's left is simple acknowledgements , no more waiting and stress for you. Good luck with the rest of the process!
I'd do that too if I had any doubt; a tenner is nothing and you know if you have any criminal record; not just for BC, but in general...royh wrote:If you want to be absolutely sure 100% send a tenner to the police checking thing and if it's not on their computers than it won't appear when the HO check the system aswell. http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... 473#925473Derivaz wrote:interesting; I thought it was a lot more seriousneoseal wrote:Local authority cautions does not come under convictions, however, the caution letter itself states the fraud act 2006. This is only applicable should the local authority proceed with court case. Local authority cautions are used for council tax fraud, misuse of disable badge, misuse of parking permits and scratch cards, inappropriate rubbish disposal, littering etc.
Its not going to pop up on any police computers or crb. Upto you to disclose it or not.
^ I sent a letter today to ask for the first option and provided a photocopy of my passport (foreign) and bank statement and a cheque for 10 plus the paperwork. I'll know for sure what I can and cannot put.
But don't you think that the HO would (wrongly) assume that it's a conviction as that what the person he spoke on the phone with seems to think, and reject it if it wasn't longer than 3 years ago?D4109125 wrote:They are both wrong, a liability order is not a conviction nor a CCJ. It does not become 'spent' as it is not considered under the 1974 Act. So long as you have arranged a repayment programme or paid in full, you should be ok and there would be no need to declare it.
Could I ask what number did you ring to contact the HO?fon31000 wrote:I hope you can help me. i have tried everywhere to find out exactly what the spent time is on council tax liability orders is. The problem is I have 2 in mine and my husbands name , I will be able to apply for citizenship next year.
The first was early 2009 not exactly sure when as we have no paperwork for this and we honestly both cant remember getting as we didn't even know we had it until we requested a council tax account statement , we then phoned them to esquire about it but they couldn't tell us much about it as it was so long ago. The second one we got in July 2010 but with either of them we never attended court as the first one was settled in full and the second by special payment arrangement with them. They still got the orders put in place as they said it was their policy so to prevent us from defaulting on the special payments. First I phoned the UKBA the woman who answered said three years and we must declare them even thou they are spent. secondly we phoned a immigration solicitor who told us five years and we don't need to declare then when they are spent.
we are confused I hope somebody can help please.
Ah ok, did they give you useful info there?fon31000 wrote:The number i called was 08706067766 I think it was the Croydon office. As i said both of them were settled with no further action taken against us i.e bailiffs etc. We did obviously had to pay court costs of 50+ pounds for each order. I hope you can give us a definite answer on these as i am completely lost and have spent lots of time trying to find the answers
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kind regards
according to Amber, you need to pay it in full and there is no need to declare it; so I would do that.fon31000 wrote:Hi
i am really sorry but would it be best to declare them or not ? and are they classed as civil judgments\fines ?
sorry to keep asking i do really appreciate your time to reply to us.
kind regards
M
I have seen the Passport Guide but it does not answer clearly thats why i asked. I will rephrase my question:D4109125 wrote:See the passport guide, that will tell you what sections need completing.
The conviction must be declared, I would also declare the latest insurance issue, assuming a FPN. However, if not an FPN there appears to be no need to declare PCN/PNDs unless they involve for example, drugs or violence. Though, this is obviously open to interpretation.
rashidkhan said something that sounds a bit unusual; (s)he was fined for having an uninsured car parked in the garage? obviously driving an uninsured car is illegal, but if it's parked, can you actually get fined for that?D4109125 wrote:You would need to send proof that you had ILR at the time of the child's birth (assuming the child was born in the UK) this could be shown with the BRP. Grandparent's details are not required if the application is not based on this. You can fill in the details if you know them, if not just wrote unknown.
The congestion charge should be a PCN. The other will also be a PCN unless stated otherwise.
That's right, I was shocked as well and have emailed dvla about my situation and waiting for response but apparently you have to declare "statutory off the road notice" or SORN and as I couldn't do that since I was selling my car (declaring SORN cancels car tax as well) I got their letter that I now have been fined £100 & if I pay early then its £50! Its so unfairDerivaz wrote:rashidkhan said something that sounds a bit unusual; (s)he was fined for having an uninsured car parked in the garage? obviously driving an uninsured car is illegal, but if it's parked, can you actually get fined for that?D4109125 wrote:You would need to send proof that you had ILR at the time of the child's birth (assuming the child was born in the UK) this could be shown with the BRP. Grandparent's details are not required if the application is not based on this. You can fill in the details if you know them, if not just wrote unknown.
The congestion charge should be a PCN. The other will also be a PCN unless stated otherwise.