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Not legally, certainly. An ILR on a foreign passport is not much use outside UK. We are not part of any Schengen-type agreement, so it can't be used to live and work elsewhere. If you leave for too long you can't get back in.Administrator wrote:.
Given his current behavior, he is likely planning how to leverage his British visa to travel/work the EU (legally or otherwise).
Injunction, is the right term, in the UK.Administrator wrote:.
Think about asking for a restraining order or a trespass order against him. Those are American terms for the idea; not sure if they are literally correct under British law.
To be brutally honest, it is not just Eastern Europe but things are not far too colourful over here as well. At the amount of freedom that is enjoyed by the women in the 'west', one would expect a good amount of them to be sane and make choices that would be benficial or atleast harmful to them. But day in, day out I am getting a bit fed up with having to smile to the astonishing number of ones who are on anti-depressants and seek "help" due to their seeming addiction for mates who are just a step away from clubbing them over the head and dragging them back to their places by their hair.Living in East Europe for the past several years, I am disgusted by the behavior of the men here and how wretchedly they tend to treat their women.
Thats the problem, when you got "lunatics" trying to get over, it is really hard to make sense of their actions.clairey wrote:I'm really sorry about what's happened to your daughter. I used to know an Albanian guy who did a very similar thing to a friend. He had applied for asylum and claimed he was from Kosova. He had been going out with my friend for nearly 2 years when his asylum was granted and he got ILR and then applied for British Citizenship. A few days after he got that, he left my friend without saying a word, went back to Albania and got married to a girl over there, and has now brought the Albanian wife back to live in the UK. It was almost as if my friend was a back-up for if his asylum wasn't granted. He also fits that profile that the Admin posted of a Sociopath very well. He convinced my friend that he had captured and tortured by Serbs during the Kosova conflict (even though I remember being with them one time when he was talking about being back in his village in the south of Albania, and how he grew up near where my husband is from). He decided it would be "funny" to tell my husband (then my fiance) that we were having an affair - which lead to my husband never speaking to him again. Then he decided to tell my friend that I had "tried it on with him", which ultimately led to the breakdown of our friendship (she chose to believe him over me). We only heard through other friends what had happened. I wonder if it could be the same guy? Him committing bigamy wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Sammie,sammie121 wrote:I feel for your Daughter and more so for your Grandaughter....
Iam married to an Albanian man and we expect our first child in October, to be fair all i have heard is "he is using you for a visa" . My family friends even co-workers have passed comments... Did you have any concerns at the start of their relationship that this may be his intention?
You make a good point there mate, I agree.thirdwave wrote:Somehow I`m not at all surprised that Albanians are involved in such scams..I have met many Albanians in my line of work & most of them are not very nice people.Most hold this country in extreme contempt are here just to sponge off the system. It may be that the majority who came to this country from Albania were of the lower socioeconomic classes so are prone to this sort of behaviour. I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia, which in turn forced it to recognise many Albanians masquerading as Kosovars as 'refugees' & grant them asylum..
Would you kindly keep your dearly beloved comments about Albanians to yourself? You think it's only Albanians who try to get round the immigration rules? Get real.thirdwave wrote:Somehow I`m not at all surprised that Albanians are involved in such scams..I have met many Albanians in my line of work & a lot of them were not very nice people.Most hold this country in extreme contempt are here just to sponge off the system. It may be that the majority who came to this country from Albania were of the lower socioeconomic classes so are prone to this sort of behaviour. I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia, which in turn forced it to recognise many Albanians masquerading as Kosovars as 'refugees' & grant them asylum..
Unfortunately, I've met quite a few - the prostitution rackets (including children) in London are pretty much Albanian-run these days. There are some very nasty types about. Saying that, however, is not dearly beloved. It's a fact. dearly beloved would be saying, "he's an Albanian, therefore he's.... <whatever>"clairey wrote: And as for holding this country in comtempt, I've yet to meet 1 Albanian who does, and I know a lot of Albanians. The vast majority are some of the kindest, loyal and respectful people you could ever hope to meet.
Clearly, anyone who runs a prostitution racket (especially involving children) is a vile criminal who should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately every nationality has their criminal element, and it just makes my blood boil when people judge Albanians on theirsavjones wrote:Unfortunately, I've met quite a few - the prostitution rackets (including children) in London are pretty much Albanian-run these days. There are some very nasty types about. Saying that, however, is not dearly beloved. It's a fact. dearly beloved would be saying, "he's an Albanian, therefore he's.... <whatever>"clairey wrote: And as for holding this country in comtempt, I've yet to meet 1 Albanian who does, and I know a lot of Albanians. The vast majority are some of the kindest, loyal and respectful people you could ever hope to meet.
Wanderer, I suppose it holds true for any form of migration, regardless of whether its inward or outward..An individual only leaves his/her country of birth if his destination holds the prospect of a better life (me includedWanderer wrote:You make a good point there mate, I agree.thirdwave wrote:Somehow I`m not at all surprised that Albanians are involved in such scams..I have met many Albanians in my line of work & most of them are not very nice people.Most hold this country in extreme contempt are here just to sponge off the system. It may be that the majority who came to this country from Albania were of the lower socioeconomic classes so are prone to this sort of behaviour. I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia, which in turn forced it to recognise many Albanians masquerading as Kosovars as 'refugees' & grant them asylum..
It's the same in the Russian Brides game, the girls that enrol on marriage and dating sites are in the main from the bottom of a very dirty barrel.
As regular viewers will know, I'm very suspicious of international dating, I think most people underestimate the social, cultural and language differences that aren't really apparent in MSN and a quick holiday.
) I am very sceptical of the term 'asylum' as I am convinced that almost all international migration is economical in nature.Many warzones have relatively peaceful regions adjoining them & the UN operates a system whereby it allocates refugees to countries which it considers safe. Therefore, I see no reason why refugees fleeing conflict feel the need to get on the first boat/truck heading to Western Europe.For people who believe in open borders, like me, your argument is nonsensical. Why shouldn't anyone from any part of the world go whereever they like in the world to earn a living or do whatever they want? Borders and immigration control as we understand them are artificial creations of the 20th century and quite frankly it's about time we got rid of them.thirdwave wrote:Wanderer, I suppose it holds true for any form of migration, regardless of whether its inward or outward..An individual only leaves his/her country of birth if his destination holds the prospect of a better life (me includedWanderer wrote:You make a good point there mate, I agree.thirdwave wrote:Somehow I`m not at all surprised that Albanians are involved in such scams..I have met many Albanians in my line of work & most of them are not very nice people.Most hold this country in extreme contempt are here just to sponge off the system. It may be that the majority who came to this country from Albania were of the lower socioeconomic classes so are prone to this sort of behaviour. I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia, which in turn forced it to recognise many Albanians masquerading as Kosovars as 'refugees' & grant them asylum..
It's the same in the Russian Brides game, the girls that enrol on marriage and dating sites are in the main from the bottom of a very dirty barrel.
As regular viewers will know, I'm very suspicious of international dating, I think most people underestimate the social, cultural and language differences that aren't really apparent in MSN and a quick holiday.
(I know I might be accused of being a dearly beloved for saying this but) I think the trouble with places like Albania & Somalia is that the poor economic development, non existent judiciary, the general degree of social decay,lack of values & ubiquitous criminality in these countries mean that the majority of people who migrate from them tend to be ill educated & criminogenic in nature, especially as unskilled migrants mostly tend to be from the lower rungs of society.
Clairey, I can understand your indignation at my comments but they are based entirely on my interactions with Albanians & not on heresay. There might be Brits sponging off the system, the only difference being that a DISPROPRTIONATE number of Albanians & Somalis etc seem to be doing the same. They also tend to be involved in crime more often than other ethnic groups. I am sure we are civilized enough to have a debate on the issue without accusing each other of beloved or lovely...clairey wrote:Would you kindly keep your dearly beloved comments about Albanians to yourself? You think it's only Albanians who try to get round the immigration rules? Get real.thirdwave wrote:Somehow I`m not at all surprised that Albanians are involved in such scams..I have met many Albanians in my line of work & a lot of them were not very nice people.Most hold this country in extreme contempt are here just to sponge off the system. It may be that the majority who came to this country from Albania were of the lower socioeconomic classes so are prone to this sort of behaviour. I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia, which in turn forced it to recognise many Albanians masquerading as Kosovars as 'refugees' & grant them asylum..
Having travelled round Albania, I'll be the first to admit that they do have social and economic problems, but don't attack the people. I could point you in the direction of a great number of Brits who are sponging off the system. And as for holding this country in comtempt, I've yet to meet 1 Albanian who does, and I know a lot of Albanians. The vast majority are some of the kindest, loyal and respectful people you could ever hope to meet.
If you think Albania has a lack of values, then you clearly don't know very much about Albanian society. Their values and traditions are probably the most important things to them after their family. And as for "ubiquitous criminality", I would say you're safer in Tirana than you are in London. But then that's maybe because, according to your theory, it's the majority of the criminal element that have moved to the UK.thirdwave wrote:(I know I might be accused of being a dearly beloved for saying this but) I think the trouble with places like Albania & Somalia is that the poor economic development, non existent judiciary, the general degree of social decay,lack of values & ubiquitous criminality in these countries mean that the majority of people who migrate from them tend to be ill educated & criminogenic in nature, especially as unskilled migrants mostly tend to be from the lower rungs of society.
Dawie, I totally agree that international borders are a nuisance but one has to accept that there are economical, cultural, moral disparities between nations & open borders should not be used as a means of exploiting another country or exporting criminality. I am grateful to the UK for having offered me the oppurtunity to better my life & I would expect everybody who comes here to feel the same, comply with the law of the land & add value to the economy. It hurts to see MY hard earned money wasted on a bunch on freeloaders who wish ruin on this country (due to religious convictions or whatever) but feel absoultely comfortable living off it.Dawie wrote:For people who believe in open borders, like me, your argument is nonsensical. Why shouldn't anyone from any part of the world go whereever they like in the world to earn a living or do whatever they want? Borders and immigration control as we understand them are artificial creations of the 20th century and quite frankly it's about time we got rid of them.thirdwave wrote:Wanderer, I suppose it holds true for any form of migration, regardless of whether its inward or outward..An individual only leaves his/her country of birth if his destination holds the prospect of a better life (me includedWanderer wrote:You make a good point there mate, I agree.thirdwave wrote:Somehow I`m not at all surprised that Albanians are involved in such scams..I have met many Albanians in my line of work & most of them are not very nice people.Most hold this country in extreme contempt are here just to sponge off the system. It may be that the majority who came to this country from Albania were of the lower socioeconomic classes so are prone to this sort of behaviour. I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia, which in turn forced it to recognise many Albanians masquerading as Kosovars as 'refugees' & grant them asylum..
It's the same in the Russian Brides game, the girls that enrol on marriage and dating sites are in the main from the bottom of a very dirty barrel.
As regular viewers will know, I'm very suspicious of international dating, I think most people underestimate the social, cultural and language differences that aren't really apparent in MSN and a quick holiday.
(I know I might be accused of being a dearly beloved for saying this but) I think the trouble with places like Albania & Somalia is that the poor economic development, non existent judiciary, the general degree of social decay,lack of values & ubiquitous criminality in these countries mean that the majority of people who migrate from them tend to be ill educated & criminogenic in nature, especially as unskilled migrants mostly tend to be from the lower rungs of society.
clairey wrote:If you think Albania has a lack of values, then you clearly don't know very much about Albanian society. Their values and traditions are probably the most important things to them after their family. And as for "ubiquitous criminality", I would say you're safer in Tirana than you are in London. But then that's maybe because, according to your theory, it's the majority of the criminal element that have moved to the UK.thirdwave wrote:(I know I might be accused of being a dearly beloved for saying this but) I think the trouble with places like Albania & Somalia is that the poor economic development, non existent judiciary, the general degree of social decay,lack of values & ubiquitous criminality in these countries mean that the majority of people who migrate from them tend to be ill educated & criminogenic in nature, especially as unskilled migrants mostly tend to be from the lower rungs of society.
I am civilised enough not to make sweeping generalisations about other nationalities. I find, however, that when others are not, it tends to smack of beloved. Of course, you have every right to dislike the Albanians you have met. But perhaps you disliked them as people, rathar than as Albanians?thirdwave wrote:Clairey, I can understand your indignation at my comments but they are based entirely on my interactions with Albanians & not on heresay. There might be Brits sponging off the system, the only difference being that a DISPROPRTIONATE number of Albanians & Somalis etc seem to be doing the same. They also tend to be involved in crime more often than other ethnic groups. I am sure we are civilized enough to have a debate on the issue without accusing each other of beloved or lovely...
You'll find that most Albanians abhor blood feuds. Unfortunately there are still a minority in the far North of the country that still follow the Kanun (The set of rules from the Middle Ages that first set out the idea of blood feuds). The Albanian government is working hard to erradicate the problem, but yes, sadly there are still those who choose to act that way.thirdwave wrote:Values & traditions which presumably involve 'blood feuds' & 'honour killings'....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4273020.stm
http://www.actnow.com.au/Issues/Blood_feuds.aspx
http://stophonourkillings.com/index.php ... le&sid=229
