memomemo wrote:Yes , we have always seen Irish immigration systems problem (i know too many genuine family get divorce for Irish immigration system , do you know what it means to you ) in court , also i know from SOLVIT , they tried of that. another case we have right now " Ryanair flies from Marseille base over illegal working practices case " and the other EU country's investigate also , I really know what im talking about , it might hurt you little bit but sorry for that
you re trying to say , immigrant using state benefit etc ..., OK you right , what about there is tons of illegal Irish in US and Canada they earn and they don't pay tax they re sucking blood. I mean every country has this.
when irish people Migrate Somewhere Else there is no problem but when people trying to migrate to Ireland everything is chance , himmm something is wrong here ...
I know most of the Irish cursing to Eu, because i have too many connection over there , they always say , ooo we were better without EU etc ...
Im French-Belgium and Im around 60 years old , I believe Im not saying any wrong here.Everything is here %100 TRUTH.
with due respect, you are talking utter boll*x and you are a spoofer of the highest order
1, How many Irish people do you know? The majority of Irish people are pro europe and continue to be so. your pals are no more than reactionary morons who what clearly do not possess one iota of a clue of the good influence eu laws have brought on this country and moved it to more modern times. Social welfare and workers rights being one relevant issue. hear many media and pubic outcrys? these pals of yours, i suppose would rather blame the eu for all this countries ills or blame anyone but themselves
The reality is, many eu citizens are not happy with the current eu institutions.it does not mean its ant eu. some of the problems lie with the following
+ Lack of transparency and accountability of those in power in Brussels. Very few ever stood for elections. Lack of proper and constant communications to the people, only at treaties
+ Historic inability to balance their own books
+ Genuine fear (unless from the big 4 and Belgium) that the EU will turn into a Federal State and continuing effort to make EU citizens more than what it originaly was interpreted as via the Treaty
+ Continung infrngement of member states' soverignity into areas that don't directly involve economic matter
+ Complete diregard and dsplayed of arrogance towards smaller EU states by the big ones. If France was asked to vote again on Lisbon (Constitution in disguise) you cn bet your francs, deutchmarks and euros the rest would have backed off.
2. Ryanair, Jesus weeps. You were asked to account for the "many" times that Ireland was brought before the ECJ, Court of 1st Instance and ECTHR. In particular, you were asked how many times Ireland was brought before these institutions in relation to the free movement of people. metock was only one case
Ryanair is a company, and not a state. it does not speak for the Irish people. the matter that they are currently in trouble with has nothing to do with one's right to move here to ireland and reside! your reference is not relevant. france did a fine job with the romas btw, love the way they deal with people from their former colonies too, what can a burka do?
I will return to the question i put to you. i ask you now to count, by looking at the data of over 30 or so years, how many times ireland and or irish companies have come before the eu institutions? more relevant, how many time has ireland come before the eu courts in relation to free dom of movement of people, goods, services, capital and workers? how many they win or loose. there, you will show yourself to be a spoofer. that a look at your own country's records before pointing fingers
Ryanair are no champion of workers rights. not too many will be sorry to see mick o'leary getting a spanking. btw, won't marseille loose out on tourists and all that airline routes bring to their city?
3. Illegal Irish. It pays to be well in with many US politicians/former politicans, i suppose. One thing, there is now a general consenus or a general regret that the government did not try to call these people back home (well the skilled ones) during the boom as oppose to tracking around the world seeking other nationals to come here.
I expect that, in light with stricter procedures in those countries today, any of the irish that go over now will do so legally and remain legally. they will be more skilled than those who went before, though, latest events may shatter their confidence
how do you know that all illegals don't pay taxes? i would imagine quite a few are under false id's. they are hardly claiming benefit as going to hospitals would be risky = so they are hardly sucking blood
4. As for immirgants here. i refer to legals. any on welfare , they are entitled to same, particularly after working hard. i don't consider them as blood suckers as their status here, is often based on them working anyway, more luck to them, just it will effect citizenship
the trends i refere to, the ibc and marriage boom
with regard to not being smug, you and i know that it will be the immigrant who will bear the first brunt with the closing down of business, complete lack of renewal of permits, more refusal of citizenship. unless some have a plan b or can return home, they may be buggered.
irish people don't have any problems with immigrants so long as they come here legally and remain legal under the proper procedures and work hard and integrate (or at least get involved)
5. considering your remarks about potatoes and pre eu or should i say eec days (when very little happened), in light of your dual nationality and what the union has done for your country after a number of very tough years, i would lay off making such remarks if i were you. many irish men lost their lives during that time fighting, as john redmons once said "little catholic belgium". belguim? is that even a country? nigel fargoe (you know the uk fella, horrible guy though) had some fair and funny observations
, The Irish have had centuries of English "help."
over there. If an illegal is working here in Ireland on cash he is in an indirect way paying tax by consuming goods...so is any illegals in US or any other country. (not that i am saying this is the right way to go about but i am merely saying what they are or aren't contributing)