My husbands spouse visa, and his other wife!

gollywood · Post by **gollywood** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:14 pm

Martha

Have a read of this. A female friend of a relative went through this route after the scumbag Pakistani husband refused to 'give' a divorce.

Took a few months - a bit of running round to do.

sb · Post by sb » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:30 pm

hi im new to the forum,
just wanted to ask how long did it take before your husband was detained at the airport after you informed them??
i am also in a similar position but the only difference being my husband has sent my 1st divorce notice to my mums empty property abroad in pakistan and he is also stating that he wishes to come back to the uk -only found out this weekend about all this, have been writing out letter to home office here in croyden and also high commission pakistan.
will they be able to send him back if he does come into the uk when he has started divorce proceedings abroad??

martha · Post by **martha** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:49 pm

Salaams sister,
Sorry to hear you are going through this too. It's a horrible situation to be in.
To answer your question. If you e-mail a PUBLIC STATEMENT to settlementisb@fco.gov.uk they will alert the system. He has a spouse visa, right? You are his sponsor?
Let me explain further
1 The above email address is for the Embassy in Pakistan(Islamabad)
2 You need to write in the email that you 'no longer support your husband for his spouse visa. That this email therefore is a PUBLIC STATEMENT, and this information can be shared with him'
You need to send with the email, an attachment showing your passport details, and the statement needs to be signed. Also include your husbands name as it appears on his passport, also his date of birth. You can include details of why you no longer support him.
As soon as the Embassy deal with your email, they will alert the airports. He will be able to travel to the UK, but with the alert on the system he should be stopped on entry to the UK and all will be explained to him. He will be detained by immigration. They will contact you by phone and ask if you still do not want him to be in the UK. When you say yes, he has the right to appeal. If he chooses this option he will be detained in a detention centre until his case is heard. This could take several months. If your husband does not want to appeal then immigration will put him on a flight home. This might not be the next flight. Depends when they want to send him back!
If he has a spouse visa, and you dont give him permission to leave the airport, and he appeals because of the divorce proceedings, I would imagine that he would still have to do it from the detention centre. But ask the embassy in Islamabad when you email them. try to do that as soon as possible. Good luck. Let me know the response from Islamabad. They are very helpful.

martha · Post by **martha** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:51 pm

thanks gollywood. I am good at running around ,lol. If it takes some months to resolve I could lose weight to hehe!
Please let me know if you can think of anything else that might help me. Have to say, today I am feeling pretty mad at him

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:42 am

martha wrote:he chooses this option he will be detained in a detention centre until his case is heard. This could take several months. If your husband does not want to appeal then immigration will put him on a flight home. This might not be the next flight. Depends when they want to send him back!
If he has a spouse visa, and you dont give him permission to leave the airport, and he appeals because of the divorce proceedings, I would imagine that he would still have to do it from the detention centre..

Assalamu Alaikum all.

I hope you're all well

The above should be true in theory, but what will happen is that he will be released.

1) Because most detention centres are over full.
2) He has the right to in country appeal.
3) Tell Immigration in no uncertain terms that you have RETRACTED ALL sponsorship.
4) Mark your email/Fax URGENT FAO CIL Team in Islamabad.
Fax No - 0092 512 012 051
5) If they do keep him the detention centre they'll fast track him.
6) But he will be released if a British Passport holder goes guaranteur for him.

Also contact your MP asap!!!

May Allah s.w.t help us all Inshallah

martha · Post by **martha** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:55 pm

Hey johnboy, good to see you back.
You brought up some good points there. I didnt know about these things. But lets hope the other sister has good luck with it all.
And good idea for her to get the local MP to back her.
Hope you're OK too.
Salaams

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:04 pm

martha wrote:Hey johnboy, good to see you back.
You brought up some good points there. I didnt know about these things. But lets hope the other sister has good luck with it all.
And good idea for her to get the local MP to back her.
Hope you're OK too.
Salaams

V-salaam Martha!

Yes, I'm back, just been off the radar for a while.
I'm just in the middle of a major preparation at the moment, hence the lack of contact.
Unfortunately, I know a lot more about Immigration & Divorce issues than I wish, all through the experience I'm having with my ex.

The sister just needs her MP to know, is that this guy has got his Visa and has now ended the spousal relationship and is now trying to enter the UK by deception. If he's a good MP, he'll ask for as much information about the person who is trying to come back and the MP should run with it from there Inshallah.

Anything else ladies?

sb · Post by sb » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:04 pm

Good evening everyone, hope all is well.

Many thanks for the speedy response, i would like to mention that i have just today faxed over letter and supporting documents to the number that was on this forum, i have since had a reply via email that the high commission pakistan have alerted the system in pakistan and also here all ports and home office have been alerted.

i have been told like martha mentioned that he will get through Islamabad, but will be stopped at the UK ports.

Where the brother has mentioned he will be released due to british passport holder being a guarantor,would that mean submitting property title deeds or money as a guarantee?? i mean anyone with a british passport can give a guarantee, if he does a runner what will immigration do!?

i have also sent all documents to croydon via special delivery today, inshallah they will get them tomorrow, but this whole business on an in country appeal thing is the only thing which will maybe allow him to enter the uk ports even though i am withdrawing my appeal. even though all this is being done by deception, will they not take this into consideration?

martha · Post by **martha** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:14 am

Salaams Sister,
Please that you have faxed Islamabad and sent documents to the HO Croydon. You didnt say when his visa expires?
I hope that when your husband applies for another visa that the HO will take into consideration all your husbands deceptions. I am also hoping for the same thing. Unfortunately neither you or I can prevent our husbands applying for some other kind of visa.
One thing to mention, is that immigration will fingerprint your husband when they detain him at the UK airport. Hopefully this will mean that if he applies to stay here in another way, then immigration and HO can track him on the system. I'm sure they will investigate all his deceptions thoroughly. At least I hope so, for both our sakes.
Keep us updated.
Have you considered involving your local MP as johnboy suggested? I dont know the answer in regards to a guarantor supporting your husband. Maybe someone can answer this for you.

johnboy, glad you are pressing forward with your difficulties. Guess the 3 of us here are doing all the same things right now. Let's hope it's all resolved soon, well at least this year. But truth prevails in the long run, and we all have beend scammed. So the odds are in our favour I think.

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:28 pm

Ok, so you believe heâ€™ll abscond.
Put that in your letters, and when Immigration ring you when he returns to the UK.
Tell them in no uncertain terms that he used you for a Visa, has started Divorce Proceedings (as he has by ending letters to your mumâ€™s address).
And that he will DISAPPEAR!!!

And what theyâ€™ll do is theyâ€™ll take his passport off him and heâ€™ll have to report to his local police station on a weekly basis.

vinay shanthi · Post by **vinay shanthi** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:45 pm

hey johnboy

looks like ur suspicions about this being a familiar pattern of behaviour was right. what with so many coming forward with their stories. best of luck to you all.

sb · Post by sb » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:07 am

Hope all is well. My husbands visa expires in Nov 2008 Martha, so hes got a good 7months to go, and he wants to come back to work the remaining months....i have written to the HO in Crodyon, but as you guys have stated will get MP involved as i am guaranteed a reply if he sends the paperwork off...hope god does justice and things go in our favour guys...

i was not aware that they will take fingerprints upon his arrival...good atleast they will be able to track him down.... just another Q which has just popped into my head...once they arrive and they are stopped at port...are they allowed to work in the uk despite us having withdrawn our sponsorships?

i can understand that this is very frustrating for all of us...as clearly we are all in the same boat, but have faith in the almighty and inshallah all will be good...keep

and take care Allah Hafiz

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:56 am

He canâ€™t work legally, as he doesnâ€™t have a legal visa if you retract sponsorship.

The only way he can legally enter the UK is on a new visa, but heâ€™ll have to apply from Pakistan either way.
Plus theyâ€™ll look closely at his reasons for coming back to the UK.

I hope that helps Inshallah!

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:29 pm

Assalamu Alaikum

So how's it all going for you guys?

My MP has said that my x's legal rep is muddying the waters and saying that I forced her to leave, fly 4,000 miles and that she's come back to get justice.

I'm being played big time...my MP said they're trying to confuse the judge so much so that he says "Whoa this is above my payscale" and adjourns again and pass it to a specialist judge - 4-12 month wait at the moment.

My MP reckons she's got some people up north, advising her and saying to this, to that.
My MP's written to the Secretary of State...as he can see I'm being set up.

As she was hoping to just sneak into the country and was hoping I wouldn't have written to the Immigration in Croydon.

Never mess with an angry woman!!! lol

sb · Post by sb » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:27 pm

Salam Hope all is well...

im still awaiting news on whether hubby is travelling next week from abroad, im sorry i dont seem to know much about what is happening with your situation johnboy as i am new to the forum...would you care to elaborate?

i know you would be repeating yourself yet again but it will give me insight into your situation...maybe i could be of some help...

hope to hear from you soon have faith in the Almighty inshallah all will work out for the best...

Allah hafiz

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:26 pm

Hi Sb,
did u get my PM so u cld read the old posts?

martha · Post by **martha** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:12 pm

It's been mentioned several times about getting the local MP involved. I'm wondering if I should do this?
Divorce papers should be served my h tomorrow, if he takes them that is.
I have also sent an email to the Shariah council in Leyton, asking if they think I have grounds for khulla.
johnboy, sorry your ex is behaving so badly. I hope justice prevails for you. It's terrible that you are having to wait so long though. I wonder if the Home Office will change the way they process spouse visa's at some point. As scamming is such a problem, surely they must see that something further needs to happen to protect folks such as us?
It's a real eye opener. And makes you wary of who to trust in the future. It's a real headache

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:39 pm

martha wrote:It's been mentioned several times about getting the local MP involved. I'm wondering if I should do this?
Divorce papers should be served my h tomorrow, if he takes them that is.
I have also sent an email to the Shariah council in Leyton, asking if they think I have grounds for khulla.
johnboy, sorry your ex is behaving so badly. I hope justice prevails for you. It's terrible that you are having to wait so long though. I wonder if the Home Office will change the way they process spouse visa's at some point. As scamming is such a problem, surely they must see that something further needs to happen to protect folks such as us?
It's a real eye opener. And makes you wary of who to trust in the future. It's a real headache

See the MP, get him to write to the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, the more letters she gets, the more she'll know what's going on.

My MP is an ex-military man, salt of the earth he wrote a very strong letter to her, sent me a copy.
I was like this guy has balls.

Sb - check this link out from the Home Office new laws introduced on 01-April 2008 about tougher laws on those entering by deception.

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/aboutus/ne ... id=3053096

martha · Post by **martha** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:14 pm

Hi folks,
Starting to get a bit nasty.
First things first, am waiting for a reply from my local MP.
Now down to the nitty gritty.
My solicitor has just phoned. He has received a letter from my h's solicitor(wasnt sure he had one, but still, he has) The letter states that my h doesnt believe that the marriage has broken down, and is asking for a reconciliation. Strange really, as we havent lived together since last June.
So it would seem that he intends to contest the diovrce. I understand that he can apply to stay in the UK whilst he contests it, which could take 6-9mths. OK, I understand that.
The best part however, wait for it....his solicitor also specialises in immigration. So I would take that to mean my h will use every route possible to get permission to stay in the UK. Would that mean appealing to get ILR perhaps? As he has started a business any delay would also give him plenty of time to raise cash to get a Busines Permit.
What a scumbag.
Guess he's prepared to fight

So much for being terribly in love with me.

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:13 pm

Martha,

Keep your chin up.

See your MP, tell him about being used, tell him everything as you've got nothing to hide.
Urge him to write to the Home Secretary about your h's bogus claims and deception, use those words.

Get your MP to fight your corner, he'll carry more weight.

My x's legal rep is making me out to be a mixture between Hitler & Mussolini!!! Losers!!!

Good luck Inshallah!

martha · Post by **martha** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:32 pm

Thanks johnboy,
Yes, Ive already given a fairly detailed account to the Local MP, and will give him more. I just hope he wants to help, but guess he should, as it's part of his role. I'll let you know when he e-mails me back.
A mixture of Hitler and Mussolini eh? Well, there's a thought

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:37 pm

martha wrote:Thanks johnboy,
Yes, Ive already given a fairly detailed account to the Local MP, and will give him more. I just hope he wants to help, but guess he should, as it's part of his role. I'll let you know when he e-mails me back.
A mixture of Hitler and Mussolini eh? Well, there's a thought

Hey again,
book an appointment to see him at this surgery, you'll be more convincing in person.
Wear some smart clothes, it'll make him feel that u respect him.
And tell him what's happened.
Convince him.
plus you're his constituent!

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:47 pm

Assalamu Alaikum,

So how are you all?

What's the latest in your situations?

martha · Post by **martha** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:20 pm

salaams,
Well, an update for you about my situation.
My solicitor sent my h a letter asking him not to call or contact me, as it is harrassment. Also his family and friends must not do so either. If he doesnt comply with this, then a court injunction will be applied for, costs to be met by him, and should he not desist then he might face prison, depending what he does.
However.......since he got the letter I still receive some txts and calls from him, also 1 call from his sister in Pakistan. I make notes of these. Should he continue with this, then I will contact my solicitor again and press for a court injunction.
He would by now have been presented with the divorce papers. I dont know if he received them or not. If not, then a bailiff will go and serve them.
He is still trying to emotionally abuse me as such. I think he is finally beginning to understand I am serious about this.
Also had an email back from the Sharia Council. They tell me I have grounds to do khula. Not sure if I want to take this route yet. Still pondering this one.
How's everyone else? Are you ready for the hearing on Tuesday, johnboy? How do you feel about it?
All the best everyone,
Martha

johnboy096 · Post by **johnboy096** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:11 pm

V-Salam.

Hope you're all well.

You're doing great Martha, he knws you're not messing about now.
He knows you're being serious.

Yeah you can even get an interim injunction, if he keeps hassling u.
That was what i was gonna do with my x, but i didn't.

Hearings on Tuesday, but I don't really need to go, as I've provided all the info to the HOPO and the AIT.
So it's a matter of her proving she's got a right to stay.

I've been advised by my solicitor and various imams and Muftis not to attend as they're saying her people will try to start a melee and get the police involved to get the hearing postponed.
So I wont be attending, but I've booked the day off work as I wont be able to concentrate.
So Inshallah I'll hopefully know, by the end of the week what happened.

PS She sent me a txt that said

"I said to Allah that I hate life.

Allah replied

"Who asked you to love life...???
Just love me, and life will be beautiful!"

Is she talking to me in a tongue, I'm not familiar with???

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