Child Registration Success (MN1) For Child Born in Uk

[f2k]

hi f2k,
For kid's passport application, have you provided the parent's foreign passport except child's birth cetificate and registration certificate of citizenship? When I made enquiry to IPS, they advised to provide registration certificate of citizenship and parent's passport wtih ILR.

No i did not provide any passports of either myself or my spouse. Just the Registration certificate and the birth certificate.

I think you need to provide passport if applying when child is 'already british citizen due to the fact they were born when you had ILR

[faz123]

I think it is worth going back to the policy document that UKBA issued in response to the HSMP Forum case ..... click here. In particular if we look at point 16 :-

Migrants who make a successful ILR application will also be considered to have first obtained ILR from when they had completed four years qualifying residence for the purposes of any subsequent citizenship application.

faz123, your two children, were they born before or after the date of your ILR, as retrospectively granted?

No I applied using MN1 form under section 1(3) as both my children were born before I got ILR. I got ILR on the 9th of June and completed my 4 years on 29th June. So there was no retrospective element to my application.
Faz

[John]

faz123, thanks for that information. And great, clearly UKBA are now up-to-speed dealing with HSMP Forum cases.

[Steve Maar]

Excuse me guys, may you please clarify why you are registering your children separately? Is it not better and cheaper to register the children at the same as you apply for Naturalisation (assuming that you want to naturalise)? Am I missing something?

[f2k]

Excuse me guys, may you please clarify why you are registering your children separately? Is it not better and cheaper to register the children at the same as you apply for Naturalisation (assuming that you want to naturalise)? Am I missing something?

The children registration cost the same whether you do it now or at the same time as naturalisation. For these applications (registration for children born in UK) i think the application is simple enough anyway so why not do it sooner rather than later.

[Steve Maar]

Excuse me again guys. I now realise that I need help on the following:-

1. Can I apply for registration for both my children now (one born in UK and the other born abroad) on one MN1 form? The UKBA website says registration is at their discretion in relation to my child born abroad, but has been here for just over five years and has ILR just like me. Should I apply now or wait till I become naturalised?

2. What is the chance of my child born abroad who has ILR getting registered as a British citizen (at their discretion) if I submit one application as stated in 1 above?

Thank you in advance.

[John]

Using your numbering :-

1. You need a separate form MN1 for each child, but it is very much cheaper submitting both MN1 forms at the same time. You can either submit all the forms together, AN and MN1, or submit the MN1s after you have your BC.
2. At discretion for the non-UK born child? Yes of course, but so is your Naturalisation application. In practice if your Naturalisation application is granted, so will your child's Registration application.

Unless your Naturalisation application is problematic, and why would that be, I would submit all the forms at the same time. Why? Because that would mean that all the certificates will be presented at the same Citizenship Ceremony. I don't know how old your children are, but for my step-daughter, now 14, being presented with her Certificate of Registration by Birmingham's Lord Mayor, when just 9, is still classed as a big occasion in her life.

[Steve Maar]

Thank you John. I will submit the AN and the two MN1 forms at the same time.

Thank you and keep up the good work!

[eric79]

NCS or Postal: NCS Sutton
Date of submission or posting: 2nd July 2009
CRITERIA: 2 children born in the UK MN1 after parents obtained ILR on 29th June 2009 under HSMP JR
Date of receipt of Application @ HO: 7th July 2009
Date of debit of debit/credit card: 7th July 2009
Date of receipt of acknowledgement: 9th July 2009
Date of receipt of approval: 30th July 2009 (Dated 22nd July & 24th July)
Date of appln. for passport: Waiting
Passport received: Waiting

Faz

i just submit on 03 /08 /09 hope it will take few weeks 2 or 3 to get the registration certificate for my son born in uk before i got my permenent residence

[anitha appukuttan]

Hi All,
I am pleased to inform that my daughters certificate has just arrived.


ILR Granted on 2nd July 2009
MN1 submitted at NCS on 21st July 2009
MN1 payment debited on 31st July 2009
Certificate received on 7th Aug 2009

I must admit that going through NCS is worth it, also the timelines are quite quick.

Cheers,
Anitha

[eric79]

Hi All,
I am pleased to inform that my daughters certificate has just arrived.


ILR Granted on 2nd July 2009
MN1 submitted at NCS on 21st July 2009
MN1 payment debited on 31st July 2009
Certificate received on 7th Aug 2009

I must admit that going through NCS is worth it, also the timelines are quite quick.

Cheers,
Anitha

congratulation for your little one certificate.
mine. NCS 03 august 09. card debited 06 august 09, waiting for approval

[hsmpaug06]

Hi
I would really apperciate if any senior member help me on this.
My Baby and my wife have got HSMP Dependant visa till sep 2011 and they are flying to india next week,is there anything else they need except passport and valid uk visa to return.?My baby is two year old and her picture is seems to be too old.kindly anybody?

[eric79]

Hi All,
I am pleased to inform that my daughters certificate has just arrived.


ILR Granted on 2nd July 2009
MN1 submitted at NCS on 21st July 2009
MN1 payment debited on 31st July 2009
Certificate received on 7th Aug 2009

I must admit that going through NCS is worth it, also the timelines are quite quick.

Cheers,
Anitha

congratulation for your little one certificate.
mine. NCS 03 august 09. card debited 06 august 09, waiting for approval

hi again just want to ask if the letter came with special delivery or signed for. and also want to ask if it came in your name or your child name . many thanks

[f2k]

hi again just want to ask if the letter came with special delivery or signed for. and also want to ask if it came in your name or your child name . many thanks

Letter comes in regular post. I cant remember now but i think it was in childs name

[eric79]

hi again just want to ask if the letter came with special delivery or signed for. and also want to ask if it came in your name or your child name . many thanks

Letter comes in regular post. I cant remember now but i think it was in childs name

thanks for your response. so iam still waiting i got the knowlege letter from uk border agency on monday 10 s it came with the child name. still waiting for the decision . thx again

[vinny]

I think it is worth going back to the policy document that UKBA issued in response to the HSMP Forum case ..... click here. In particular if we look at point 16 :-

Migrants who make a successful ILR application will also be considered to have first obtained ILR from when they had completed four years qualifying residence for the purposes of any subsequent citizenship application.

faz123, your two children, were they born before or after the date of your ILR, as retrospectively granted?

See also Child Passport application (ILR JR Ruling) success.

[th]

Done my ILR for my wife and myself. Didn't submit for my son for ILR. The caseworker had checked the system and asked me why I didn't apply the ILR for him as she can see him having the dependent visa already. I had explained to her that my intention is to register him using NM1 after getting my ILR. She then said something about the "potential" issue I may have in the future, and it's only additional £50 now if adding him to the ILR application at the same time. However I don't think it is needed so I had asked her second/third time what the problem can be but she didn't explain further. Interestingly she did actually write down the reason why I am refusing to apply ILR for my son in the same application in the caseworking note. Not sure why but based on all the postings I had seen so far, I don't really believe there would be any problem. I would be interested to know why HO is "recommending" the applicants to do so.

[aaanjoo]

Hello All,
Just need a clarification, whats the benefit of applying through NCS apart from the fact that one doesnt need to send original documents.

In my case I dont have time to go to NCS on a working day. I have already completed MN1 (now waiting for referees - Child born in the UK and under 4 years of age) and I am goign to submit all originals along with passports.

[tymo]

Just received british citizen certificates for my two daughters....both born in UK. HSMP JR (ILR) received 24th July

NCS on 4th august
card debitted 7th August
acknowledgement letter received 13th august
certificate received today 14th august

[eric79]

Just received british citizen certificates for my two daughters....both born in UK. HSMP JR (ILR) received 24th July

NCS on 4th august
card debitted 7th August
acknowledgement letter received 13th august
certificate received today 14th august

congratulation your application was fast. lucky you

[bbkaran]

Thanks for making this thread sticky.

I read this thread in full and I like confirmation please. We, family of three, got ILR last month. Our first daughter is non-uk born and is included in ILR. Our second daughter was born last week in UK.

1) My understanding is that I can apply for Passport for our second daughter directly. No need to register as British Citizen. Is this right? If so, what form and to where?

2) Our first daughter is nine year old and non-uk born. She could stay on ILR and becomes naturalised when we decided to. In case the parents do not want to be British citizens next year, is there anything we could do for her so that she will become British citizen?

Could someone please confirm/comment?

Thanks
bbkaran

[vinny]

1) Identity and Passport Service.

2) Can I register a child aged under 18 as a British citizen? > Other cases where it is considered to be in the child's best interests to be granted British citizenship and Chapter 9: Registration of minors at discretion > 9.17.9.

[bbkaran]

1) Identity and Passport Service

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Thanks Vinny,

I just called IPS at 0300 222 0000.
The lady on the phone suggested that I should register the child as British Citizen before applying for Passport. I tried to fill the online appication form hoping that there will be a space for this. Unfortunately, it only has space for nationalities of parents and grandparents of the child. Has anyone in this forum done this? May be there are more relvant threads somewhere in this forum?

Fo completeness:

We have ILR issued in July and the child was born last week. I am trying to apply for British Passport without having to fill in MN1 form.

[vinny]

1) Identity and Passport Service

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Thanks Vinny,

I just called IPS at 0300 222 0000.
The lady on the phone suggested that I should register the child as British Citizen before applying for Passport. I tried to fill the online appication form hoping that there will be a space for this. Unfortunately, it only has space for nationalities of parents and grandparents of the child. Has anyone in this forum done this? May be there are more relvant threads somewhere in this forum?

Fo completeness:

We have ILR issued in July and the child was born last week. I am trying to apply for British Passport without having to fill in MN1 form.

If child was born in the UK after a parent has ILR, then child is already automatically British (1(1)(b)).

[f2k]

1) Identity and Passport Service

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Thanks Vinny,

I just called IPS at 0300 222 0000.
The lady on the phone suggested that I should register the child as British Citizen before applying for Passport. I tried to fill the online appication form hoping that there will be a space for this. Unfortunately, it only has space for nationalities of parents and grandparents of the child. Has anyone in this forum done this? May be there are more relvant threads somewhere in this forum?

Fo completeness:

We have ILR issued in July and the child was born last week. I am trying to apply for British Passport without having to fill in MN1 form.

Congrats on your new baby.
As Vinny has already said in the links provided, the child born after you had ILR is already British. There is no need to register infact when you try to register your child one of the first things they check is that person is not already British, if British they will send everything back to you to tell you that they are. I believe you will get your application fee back but it will be a waste of waiting time. http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/siteco ... iew=Binary section 8.4
I would suggest you go to the post office and ask for the passport application form once you you have a list of the documents required to apply for passport you will find it is pretty much straight forward.