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Post by Obie » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:12 pm

Rozen wrote: Perhaps it is time to put the matter to rest and move on?.....8)
Agreed.

Posts like this always tend to incite discord among members of the forum,on an unimaginable scale.

However, as individuals, we have a responsibility to try and have a healthy debate without any bad blood, and at the same time excercise the utmost civility.
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Post by bototo » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:20 am

If u r a BC it's ur duty to report crime.
What a bunch of hypocrites!

The British once had a reputation for honesty and fair play. Today, they're as grubby, grabbing and greedy as the worst of them. Surveys have shown that the British (ILRs included) are the most likely to retain any extra change mistakenly given to them at a till, to inflate insurance claims, to cheat, lie and deceive to get what they want.

You, sir, and everybody else clamouring for blood, is a criminal. You've broken both civil and criminal law multiple times in the last year. Everybody has, it's almost impossible not to in the current Britain (remember, ignorantia legis neminem excusat ). Did you give yourself up the last time you exceeded the speed limit and didn't get caught? Or when you cycled on the pavement? Or when you paid a workman in "cash" to save a few bucks? Or bought goods off the back of a lorry? Or picked up some branded goods at a market stall knowing fully well they could be fake?

I took advantage of my company's generosity last month and borrowed the company van to move house. Guess what? I'm not going to declare it as a benefit in kind (BiK) and I will save some tax. The vigilantes among you can contact the forum operators for my email address... I'm sure HMRC would love to hear from you.

You don't report yourself when you break the law just as your MPs don't report themselves when they break the law. The culture here is to deny any wrongdoing for as long as you think you can get away with it.

So let's be clear: Any calls to report illegal immigrants does not confer a halo on anyone, they are just cheap attempts to gain a bit of (possible) pecunairy advantage by screwing someone over... just because you can.

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Post by meats » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:39 am

bototo wrote:
If u r a BC it's ur duty to report crime.
What a bunch of hypocrites!

The British once had a reputation for honesty and fair play. Today, they're as grubby, grabbing and greedy as the worst of them. Surveys have shown that the British (ILRs included) are the most likely to retain any extra change mistakenly given to them at a till, to inflate insurance claims, to cheat, lie and deceive to get what they want.
Would you care to validate your claims or just abuse us unsubstantially?
bototo wrote:You, sir, and everybody else clamouring for blood, is a criminal. You've broken both civil and criminal law multiple times in the last year.
Really? Have I?
bototo wrote: Everybody has, it's almost impossible not to in the current Britain (remember, ignorantia legis neminem excusat ). Did you give yourself up the last time you exceeded the speed limit and didn't get caught?
Don't drive, can't afford to. Say no law broken there.
bototo wrote: Or when you cycled on the pavement?
I don't cycle either, walk or public transport.
bototo wrote: Or when you paid a workman in "cash" to save a few bucks? Or bought goods off the back of a lorry?
Had no work done on my flat that i've paid anyone else for and haven't picked up any cheap goods either.
bototo wrote: Or picked up some branded goods at a market stall knowing fully well they could be fake?
Again, no.
bototo wrote:I took advantage of my company's generosity last month and borrowed the company van to move house. Guess what? I'm not going to declare it as a benefit in kind (BiK) and I will save some tax. The vigilantes among you can contact the forum operators for my email address... I'm sure HMRC would love to hear from you.
Congratulations, have a cookie.
bototo wrote:You don't report yourself when you break the law just as your MPs don't report themselves when they break the law. The culture here is to deny any wrongdoing for as long as you think you can get away with it.
I haven't broken the law so i have nothing to report. I await my apology.
bototo wrote:So let's be clear: Any calls to report illegal immigrants does not confer a halo on anyone, they are just cheap attempts to gain a bit of (possible) pecunairy advantage by screwing someone over... just because you can.
Bit of a difference between cycling on a pavement and being and working in a country illegally.

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Post by massatuf » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:41 pm

meats wrote:
bototo wrote:
If u r a BC it's ur duty to report crime.
What a bunch of hypocrites!

The British once had a reputation for honesty and fair play. Today, they're as grubby, grabbing and greedy as the worst of them. Surveys have shown that the British (ILRs included) are the most likely to retain any extra change mistakenly given to them at a till, to inflate insurance claims, to cheat, lie and deceive to get what they want.
Would you care to validate your claims or just abuse us unsubstantially?
bototo wrote:You, sir, and everybody else clamouring for blood, is a criminal. You've broken both civil and criminal law multiple times in the last year.
Really? Have I?
bototo wrote: Everybody has, it's almost impossible not to in the current Britain (remember, ignorantia legis neminem excusat ). Did you give yourself up the last time you exceeded the speed limit and didn't get caught?
Don't drive, can't afford to. Say no law broken there.
bototo wrote: Or when you cycled on the pavement?
I don't cycle either, walk or public transport.
bototo wrote: Or when you paid a workman in "cash" to save a few bucks? Or bought goods off the back of a lorry?
Had no work done on my flat that i've paid anyone else for and haven't picked up any cheap goods either.
bototo wrote: Or picked up some branded goods at a market stall knowing fully well they could be fake?
Again, no.
bototo wrote:I took advantage of my company's generosity last month and borrowed the company van to move house. Guess what? I'm not going to declare it as a benefit in kind (BiK) and I will save some tax. The vigilantes among you can contact the forum operators for my email address... I'm sure HMRC would love to hear from you.
Congratulations, have a cookie.
bototo wrote:You don't report yourself when you break the law just as your MPs don't report themselves when they break the law. The culture here is to deny any wrongdoing for as long as you think you can get away with it.
I haven't broken the law so i have nothing to report. I await my apology.
bototo wrote:So let's be clear: Any calls to report illegal immigrants does not confer a halo on anyone, they are just cheap attempts to gain a bit of (possible) pecunairy advantage by screwing someone over... just because you can.
Bit of a difference between cycling on a pavement and being and working in a country illegally.
Meats and mountain man since you are the cop like good citizen types I know some junky youths who are taking class drugs near where a stay. I also know some unruly youths who go around vandalising. If you interested in reporting let me know I can give you the address, call the cops maybe they will come around cause last time I heard they were too busy.
I know someone who saw his stolen car parked outside a pub, called the cops and they could only come the next day by that time the car had already gone.
A cousin of mine used to go around cussing and complaining about illegals until he fell in love with one. Thats when he found out they were actually people and helped her.

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Post by Wanderer » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:51 pm

bototo wrote:
If u r a BC it's ur duty to report crime.
What a bunch of hypocrites!

The British once had a reputation for honesty and fair play. Today, they're as grubby, grabbing and greedy as the worst of them. Surveys have shown that the British (ILRs included) are the most likely to retain any extra change mistakenly given to them at a till, to inflate insurance claims, to cheat, lie and deceive to get what they want.

You, sir, and everybody else clamouring for blood, is a criminal. You've broken both civil and criminal law multiple times in the last year. Everybody has, it's almost impossible not to in the current Britain (remember, ignorantia legis neminem excusat ). Did you give yourself up the last time you exceeded the speed limit and didn't get caught? Or when you cycled on the pavement? Or when you paid a workman in "cash" to save a few bucks? Or bought goods off the back of a lorry? Or picked up some branded goods at a market stall knowing fully well they could be fake?

I took advantage of my company's generosity last month and borrowed the company van to move house. Guess what? I'm not going to declare it as a benefit in kind (BiK) and I will save some tax. The vigilantes among you can contact the forum operators for my email address... I'm sure HMRC would love to hear from you.

You don't report yourself when you break the law just as your MPs don't report themselves when they break the law. The culture here is to deny any wrongdoing for as long as you think you can get away with it.

So let's be clear: Any calls to report illegal immigrants does not confer a halo on anyone, they are just cheap attempts to gain a bit of (possible) pecunairy advantage by screwing someone over... just because you can.
One word - proportionality.
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Post by meats » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:55 pm

massatuf wrote:[

Meats and mountain man since you are the cop like good citizen types I know some junky youths who are taking class drugs near where a stay. I also know some unruly youths who go around vandalising.
Call the police then, the police here are crap due to the bureaucracy enforced upon them.

Or, you could do what Labour and police have encouraged the general public to do. You could fight back against the youths. However, if you do that then i guarantee that the police will be round your house in a flash. Just like how the police wouldn't protect that family in Leicestershire, yet as soon as those yobs are threatened they have round the clock police protection...

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Post by bototo » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:24 pm

Would you care to validate your claims or just abuse us unsubstantially?
Honesty and being law-abiding in the UK:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/ ... -attitudes
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=104173
There are plenty of others with similar conclusions. What seems to determine whether people would perform a certain dishonest act is the likelihood of getting caught - not morals or principles.
I haven't broken the law so i have nothing to report.
Such a sweeping claim can only be made by someone with a complete understanding of the entire gamut of civil and criminal law and the constant amendments being churned out everyday - a feat beyond the realms of possibility. The only thing such a claim proves is that the person making it is quite "liberal" with the truth.

Shame you weren't around when Christ was looking for someone without sin to throw the first stone. A law abiding pillar of society like you would have been the ideal candidate. (I'm not Christian, but compassion isn't exclusive to Christianity)
Bit of a difference between cycling on a pavement and being and working in a country illegally.
One word - proportionality.
I'm glad you brought proportionality up. The legal position in this country allows for you to be jailed for five years for an innocent mistake made on your self-assessment form while letting hardened criminals go free for serious misdemeanours. Proportionality is subjective. To me a person willing to suffer deprivation, starvation and several dangerous hours clinging to the bottom of a lorry so he can enter Britain, earn some money and send it back home to help support his ailing grandmother is more honourable than those of you willing to fiddle a few quid for no reason other than unadulterated greed and self-serving aggrandisement.

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Post by meats » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:41 pm

You have just made me laugh potato, i guess that means that pretty much everyone in the world is a criminal :lol:

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Post by Obie » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:52 pm

What i think it means is, we humans are fallible, and liable to make mistakes, and non of us can say, consciously or subconsciously that we have not broken the law in one way or the other. Even the politicians who made them, sometimes break them as in the case of the MP expenses that overshadowed the UK last summer, and the Baroness Scotland's allege mistake.
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Post by Casa » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:58 pm

OK...this is going nowhere...so I have the last word.
I suspect that the OP (who disappeared in all this 'who is better than who' babble), may well be a 'woman scorned' with revenge in mind rather than the right or wrong of illegal status.
Time to close. :roll:

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