SBT_Owner wrote:I did not mean to come over as throwing stones at you Tom
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As for the 2 ealier posts . He could be part of the 0.01% and given JB's views on certain things (that i pointed out earlier) i would expect he shares her views and is looking to work hard and not live off the Irish benefit system .
I know that many abuse the sytem (it is heavily abused here in England also) but that does not mean every asylum seeker is abusing the system , many are legit and should be granted the right to stay and the right to work .
Take care sir
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I am not one for prejudicing one's claim. I respect the principle of being allowed to have a full and fair hearing. I fully understand that in places like the Delta Region, all is not well. But respectively, and in light of COI, please don't be so naive regarding the 0.01%.
To explain why people like Irish Tom and a vast majority of the poupulation and, even members of the COurts eg Justice Hardiman are angry about the asylum situation:
THey don't neccessarily hate other nationals coming into the country. They don't really mind so many coming in to work etc so long as they become part of the society. The huge problem is those who come, knowing that they can't be returned until an application is heard are in effect not in need of asylum but are economic migrants. Now look, if you want to come into any other country, there are rules to follow, they should have tried to enter the correct way - ie application for work permit (as it was easy a number of years ago). The bigger problem is, in light of vast COI of Nigeria POST 1999, there is little to worry about, which some exceptions. People would possible be a bit more understanding if an economic migrant came from Zimbabwe, where recently, simply uttering MDC would get you into trouble.
People are probably more mad at the Irish system where delays have occurred thus allowing these people find other ways of cementing there position in the country (eg marriage, Irish Citizens etc)
Although this not a debate forum, its an advice forum, Irish Tom as an Irish person does have an interest in how HIS country is going. However, he picks the wrong avenue to express his concerns.
It is simple, with regard to asylum, it is about protection and not economic matters. So there is no point arguing otherwise. I would feel fairly strongly against calling it abuse to the system, but others don't. Even I personally, would have great difficulty, INITIALLY, to even accept as much as a smigen of lecturing/proposals etc in areas of moral standing and proper procedures from someone like the former fianna fail / now independent councillor in Portlaoise. Now, not because he is originally from Nigeria, and not because he withdrew his asylum claim after his child was born,BUT, when, with RTE cameras he returned to his home village in celebration - yet seemly forgot that he was suppose to have been in danger.
Let me make this clear, I have great difficulty in ANYONE claiming flase allegations (which are often proven false) about their own country.
I say everyone who applies for asylum is legit. Its an application they are entitled too. But once that process is over, and once they have been proven either to have not shown a well founded fear of PERSECUTION and or likelihood of suffering serious harm then they should be removed(ie new asylum seekers). If they wish to come and live here then they should apply on a different basis eg work permit. Even the European Union itself won't accept that it is or should be open shop to absolutely anyone who does not already have connections/relations with EU citizens.
To say that there is many legit, what do you mean by that? As in genuine cases where even if credible the country can't or won't offer protection? Cases that are "legit", cases where they do come from countries that would vioalte the Non Refoulement Principle do tend to, in the long run, be allowed to stay - eg Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia.
Ways of finding out about asylum cases by the way is reading the courts report in relation to the judicial reviews. THese can be seen in COurts.ie, so I wouldn't go and jump into the conclusions that people like IRISH TOM are assuming. Read enough of them, they tend to be similar.
Best to completely ignore him and others like him. And ye are only letting yerselves down by assuming, and possibly wrongly assuming, Irish Tom is a smack head etc. That argument could very quickly turn against ye into a certain episode of South Park.
Peace